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Title: Rookie Charlie Chaplin Trade Card 1914
Post by: card renaissance on November 30, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
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Title: Re: Rookie Charlie Chaplin Trade Card 1914
Post by: IanSammel on November 30, 2018, 08:02:40 PM
That's a lot of interesting research you've done there.  Finding the year when films were released can certainly help pin down the dates when cards were released.  Of course it only gives you the earliest possible date.  It doesn't exclude a card having been printed last week but I think you can generally judge whether a card is old or not.  An ultra-violet lamp helps.  My gut feeling is that the earliest Chaplin card ought to be a US issue without anything o base that on.  Have you checked the Burdick catalogue?
Title: Re: Rookie Charlie Chaplin Trade Card 1914
Post by: card renaissance on December 01, 2018, 11:59:05 AM
That's a lot of interesting research you've done there.  Finding the year when films were released can certainly help pin down the dates when cards were released.  Of course it only gives you the earliest possible date.  It doesn't exclude a card having been printed last week but I think you can generally judge whether a card is old or not.  An ultra-violet lamp helps.  My gut feeling is that the earliest Chaplin card ought to be a US issue without anything o base that on.  Have you checked the Burdick catalogue?

Thanks, I'll give the Burdick catalogue a look. The Movie Card website has got a nice list of early US card issues.  I'm still confident that the Moffat card series is a pretty good contender, especially since it's mentioned in the 1914 Kinematograph Year Book, which probably came out early that year. Chaplin's first film was released in February, 1914. There might be something that beats it by weeks or days but I don't think there'll be much in it. There is a possibility that the Chaplin card wasn't from the card series advertised in the book but both the Sweetmeats and Cinema Dainties formats seem to feature the same film actors and corresponding card numbers, although I haven't got the Chaplin card from the Cinema Dainties series yet.
Title: Re: Rookie Charlie Chaplin Trade Card 1914
Post by: IanSammel on December 02, 2018, 09:49:40 AM
Yes, you're probably right.  If the first film was 1914 there won't be cards of him as a film star before that.  Troy Kirk's lists are probably as good as any as far as film stars go but they may not include sets based on other subjects such as music hall performers or something.