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Title: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on March 28, 2013, 07:52:50 PM
OK its the Easter weekend and while contemplating a 6th expression of English Whisky I got to thinking. We have books on all manner of 101 things to do/eat/drink before you die, and I think if all of our contributors put there heads together we could come up with a list of 101 cards to own before you die.
 
Now I am fully aware that most of us could come up with a list of very desirable and expensive cards that we would love to own. This isn't about that card. What this list is about is a list of cards that we own and for whatever reason think our fellow collectors should also own.

So these are the rules.

1. You must own the card, it has to be in your current collection.

2. It should be readily available. You may need to spend time hunting it down but it shouldn't be so rare that it is nearly impossible to find.

3. It shouldn't be too expensive (think affordable). Put the price you think it is worth or if you can remember what you paid for it.

4. It has to be an individual card. You can own the set but you are recommending just 1 card from it.

5. You have to give your reasons behind why this card should be on the list. Any reason is a valid reason, but you must include it in your submission.

6. If someone else has recommended a card you can not also recommend it. Give us another from your collection, spread the word.

We should be trying to show that you don,t need to spend a fortune to have a cracking selection of what makes our hobby what it is. Also please remember that if someone submits a card or 2 to the list then that is their choice of what they think is a great card, you may not agree but don't show your disapproval on this forum please respect what they think and why.

One last point no more than 3 submissions please, lets see if we can encourage lots of folk to submit. If we reach 101 then I will knock up the list and maybe we can have it as a sticky on the forum. If you don't submit then you will just get loads off me and you will only have yourself to blame. You have been warned.





Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on March 28, 2013, 09:22:49 PM
My weekly silk the SOMME.

I paid £5:00 for this card that was issued with the girls magazine "My Weekly" girls were encourage to make pretty cushion covers or tea cosy by collecting these silks and sewing then together.
The card itself depicts a clean sanitised picture of men going over the top, the main figure is waving his helmet in a cheery manner. For me its the way it depicts the horrors of the trenches in a fictionalised way clean colours sunny clear blue sky. A reminder of time when ladies were sheltered (supposedly) from the reality of the world.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on March 28, 2013, 09:34:42 PM
Brooke Bond The Race into Space card 46 Space Shuttle

Set of 50 cards given away with Brooke Bond Tea. Card shows a space shuttle or how the space shuttle was first thought of. It was planned to have a winged booster that would take the shuttle up to 200,000 feet then the shuttle and the winged booster would separate. Obviously this was never used and America stayed with the solid fuel booster rocket. Picture is dramatic with bold colours the actual shuttle design wasnt that far from what was used.

Individual cost of the card about 50p no reason not to have a mint copy of this card lots of sets for sale all the time.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on March 28, 2013, 10:12:09 PM
super idea Wolfie , I'll try to limit my choice down to 3 cards ...maybe a mixture of eras , coutry of issue and cost .

Happy Holiday weekend to All .
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on March 29, 2013, 08:50:15 AM
my first choice of card, is from the brooke bond tea'british wild life', which is one of my all favourite sets of cards together with 'bird portraits'.
the set is commonly available, i having purchased my set for around £5.
the set was produced as collectable, but educational, during the 1950's, as with most other sets by brooke bond, until the the 1990's, when less seious sets began to be issued.
the card i choose from this set, is no.3, wild white or park cattle.
when i first discovered this card, when a young lad, i was totally amazed, that we have truly wild cattle roaming around our countryside (in enclosed country estates), having thought that any encounter with wild animals in this country were rather small sized,or deer sized.
i have made a study of these cattle , and the various herds that exhist in estates or parks, and found that there is much distinct variation, such as some herds being polled,curved or normal horns, plus point colouring of nose and ears being black or red.
the artist, c.f.tunnicliffe, was a well known wildlife and countryside artist, that captures te essence of the countryside, and shows the animal in its natural surroundings.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Ogdenscards on March 29, 2013, 10:28:36 AM
I don't want to break the rules but I have 2 favorite sets, so still thinking which card I like the most. The 2 sets are "The Panama Canal" by Hignett, being a surveyor do like some of the pictures as they show the magnitude of the achievement in building the canal & locks,and "Hints & Tips for Motorists" by Lambert & Butler, have actually used some of the information on the cards as I have a vintage car from that era.
Lambert & Butler card No 7 From "Motors" 1908 my dad had this card in his tin I found and it was the only one in this set he had and I can remembering thinking it needs some friends and that is what started me collecting the cards.
One final mention is "Colour in Nature" by Ogden's.

For me to decide which is my favorite 3 cards may take sometime.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on March 29, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Time you have Ogdencards, I dont see this project being completed for a while. Well that is unless we start getting serious on it then who knows we may reach the magic 101 in days ;)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: baystokie on March 29, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
This has really set the cat amongst the pigeons! My first reaction was to choose one from the many sets of caricatures (one passion of mine), that illustrate that card don't always have to be 'educational' or 'serious' - Players Rip footballers or cricketers, Players Mac footballers, Ogdens footballers, Churchman Men of the Moment or Mickey Durling's Empire News footballers, even the Straight Line VIPs - but how do you choose 1?

So finally decided to go back to one of my first purchases - Gallaher Wild Flowers 1939 - an inspired design with the flowers outwith a central vignette of a garden setting and beautifully produced on a quality, slightly larger-than-average card. Have rarely seen 'Flowers' in a better setting. Cost when bought £2.10s; single card today - few pence.My choice for no particular reason - Number 45, the King Cup.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on March 29, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
a card from my favourite UK set .

I love the angle of the shot , full on action , the speed lines , the colour and the art .

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Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: bri.d on March 29, 2013, 04:27:57 PM
my first choice is. the adipose computer no 1013 from the dr who battles in time series. it was the only card i was missing from a totally complete series.
at the time i refused to pay the ebay prices of around £50.00.  i eventually got the card in a job lot of ebay for £2.00. second choice i would have to agree with fossil brooke bond british wildlife. and the same card no 3
never seen one in real life.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on March 29, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
Grand idea Wolfie so i will stick to your rules and choose 3 cards 1 each post Obviously in my collection so it they will have to be Churchmans , Victoria Cross related and Newcastle United related some tough descisions to make but each one means that something to me
So on to the first Card No 166 from Gallahers Victoria Cross heroes 7the Series one John Travers Cornwell VC his story was the inspiration to me collecting VC cards A 16 year old boy from London from a poor family enlisted in the Royal Navy rank Boy First Class despite being mortally wounded he stood his post at The Battle of Jutland by his gun on HMS Chester in an exposed position , his gun crew dead or wounded he stood by his post he died when brought ashore at Grimsby As he was from a poor background he was buried in a paupers grave but the  story of his action and being awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross ( one of the first as until then VC,S  were not awarded posthumously ) There was such an outcry by the public that his body was exhumed and given a very impressive and well attended military funeral with full honours he was bured in Manor Park Cemetry London Card posted in Gallery Purchased the card from a freind but normally from £1-3
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on March 29, 2013, 05:55:51 PM
C'mon Guys , give the lurkers something to look at by at least showing your fav card (apart from MagpieMick) .

My 2nd entry ..from the US set titled Horrors of War , one of the scarcer cards in this 280 card mega-monster of a set to complete .

#240

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Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on March 30, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
the second card of my three, for the top 101 cards to get, is from other all time favourite sets, other than british wild life, is the brooke bond tea set, bird portraits.
although with great difficulty to choose  the top card, i think it must be no. 1, the raven.
a corvid bird, from the order of passeriformes, often regarded as one of the most intelligent of birds, a bird of mmany myths and legends.
once again, illustrated by the reknown wildlife artist, and issued as a set for children (and adults), as an educational tool, to encourage collectors to learn about our native bird fauna.
i think the artist as once again, captured the nscenary, in which i have seen myself, in isolated coastal areas of cornwall, whenever i holiday there.
also, i must encourage all you viewers to read edgar allan poes, the raven, a fantastic gothic poem
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on March 30, 2013, 11:22:44 AM
There are many cards which mean something special to me but are probably not particularly interesting to anyone else.  For example I still have the very first cards I ever collected, from Lyons tea.  My first cigarette cards were some Churchmans In Town Tonight which my mother gave me many years ago.

My first choice would be a Liebig card, not so much because I like specifically Liebig but because they are representative of a whole genre of Chromolithographs.  The one I would choose is from a set showing women in bird costumes, specifically the "COLIBRI GRENAT".  I chose that because I initially couldn't find it in my catalogue.  When I finally found it, it was listed as a "COUBRA GRENA".  I pointed out the error to the publisher who checked their records and found the error had been present in the very first catalogue from 18 hundred and something and I was apparently the first person to notice it.  (They promised me a free catalogue when it was republished, but I'm still waiting). 

Secondly I would choose a card from the Kosmos set "Frauen, Schönheit und Anmut".  These are colourful, large-sized cards and something special among the large number of filmstar cards issued in Germany in the 1930s.  Specifically I would choose Group 1, card 19 showing Lilian Harvey and Willy Fritsch.  They were a famous film pair who appeared together in many UFA films of the 1930s.  For me they are symbolic not only of cigarette cards but also of the Babelsberg film studios which produced so many classic films.

As for my third card, I would choose something more modern, a 1960s bubble gum card to remind me of the happy days of my youth.  There are many to choose from so as something symbolic of an era I'll choose card 7 from Anglo's Yellow Submarine depicting Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

I can't remember what I paid for them but none of them are very expensive.  The Yellow Submarine card I collected new for the price of a packet of bubble gum.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on March 31, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
Here are the cards:
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on March 31, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
ok so time for an update.

in no particular order

1. The Somme, My Weekly silk (pic in gallery)
2. Space Shuttle card 46 Brooke Bond Race into space
3. Wild White/Prk Cattle card 3 Brooke Bond British wildlife
4.King Cup card 45 Gallagher Wild flowers
5. Kidnapped card 8 Thriller chewing gum
6. Adipose computer card 1013 Dr Who battles in time
7.John Travers Cornwell VC card 166 Gallaghers VC heros (pic in gallery)
8.The Frightful Cost of War card 280 The Horrors of War
9. The Raven card 1 Brooke Bond Bird portraits
10.Colibri Grenat LIEBIG women in bird costumes
11. Frauen Schönheit und Anmut Kosmos Dresden
12. Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band card 7 Anglo Yellow submarine.

ok we are up to 12. I hope I have the info you have supplied correct if not can you PM me please and I will make any adjustments.

Where I know there are pics in the gallery i have said so again if you have uploaded a pic into the gallery let me know I will add the info.

You are all most welcome to add pics to the choices you make, it does make the thread more interesting for lurkers, or new comers to the forum. Please feel free to add regardless of how long you have been a member or collector. We need your input to get to 101.

Thanks to those of you who have posted so far i will give credits when I compile the final list.


Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Cedric1812 on March 31, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
I took a few days to think about this one and there are three cards that I couldn't do without in my collection. Each one has its own significance to me but I think they're all from classic sets that I'd recommend to any collector. There are loads I'd have liked to include (Wills Air Raid Precautions, CWS Parrot Series, Wills Double Meaning and Copes Pigeons to name a few!). The top three are as follows:

1. Gallaher's (1939) 'Trains of the World' - No.7- The Torbay Express. The first card I ever bought and from a brilliant set. Even if you don't collect transport I don't think a collection is complete without a set of these.
2.  Ogdens (1931) 'Racing Pigeons' - I bought a set when I was 16, having looked after a friend's loft for 2 weeks. My favourite bird in loft was a lovely pied hen and so card number 46 'White Hope' had to be the choice from that set.
3. Harvey & Davy's (1905) 'Birds and Eggs' - I know the pictures are the same as the later L&B set but the design of the back is stunning and being the earliest issue of what is my all time favourite set of birds - this had to be included. I've chosen the Barn Owl, it has it all for me does this one - the clean white background, the excellent drawing, the period font for the caption and the way the eggs are offset to one side and given a shadow... Love them.

I have to say that this is a great idea Wolfie and even though I love every card in my collection it was nice to have an excuse to sit back and reflect.

Sam
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on March 31, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Okay was a hard choice but for No 2 of 101 cards to own before you die Churchmans Wild Animals of The World 1907 the very first card i got of this set The Sable my reason just the wonderfull colours in the early cards and the way the pricture stands out Artwork outstanding and my all time favourite animal set bar none Cost £3 at a fair
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 01, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
the third and last card i choose, for 101 cards to get, is the players 'wild birds;, no 32
all of the three sets are easily obtainable for around £10 or less.
what i find so distinctive, is the blood red  against the white snow.
there are many sets that have the robin, but of all the cards, this seems the most realistic portrait of all.
a very seasonal and almost victorian in appearance, yet issued 1932.
you can almost feel the cold and sit back indoors with a glass of whisky, or drambuie in my case.
these cards were taken from real photographs, but repainted to a high degree of accuracy.
the three cards are ones that seem to stick out more in my mind, yet i could choose many more for different reasons that have an appeal to me, and could have made up the 101 cards to get myself.
my three cards are now in the gallery to view, thanks to my daughter coming round today,
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 02, 2013, 10:44:47 PM
wolfie, i think the topic of 101 cards to get before you die, was great and i expected that this would have been finished in record time.
during the easter weekend, this forum had the second highest number of v iewers, so i thought many would be putting their list down.
however, i cannot see you fullfilling this quest now due to the lack of response.
this forum is only kept going by around a dozen memmbers, despit the growing membership it has got, since i joined a year ago.
i have many ideas and plans for debates i would like to raise at a further date, yet the lack of responses makes me feel like'why should i try'
i have tried to goad members or make them angry to try to make them respond.
i have been told that int may make memb ers go away to make another forum like this where they are not goaded into making i reply such as i have attempted.
so i have decided that if that is the case, i will leave it up to tha many that don't, make contributions, and this will be my last message.
hope your collecting of  militaria and space cards grows, and enjoy your cards as much as i do with mine.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: exdrummer on April 03, 2013, 09:15:10 AM
1 of my choices as an avid cricket collector would be the cricket subject from Buchners Morning Glory Maidens, which features a girl in cricket kit. My main reason for listing though is to appeal to fossil to have second thoughts, this site would be poorer for your absence.  :'( I don't often post, so my appeal to you has taken a bit of effort. Whilst understanding your frustration (I had the same for a post I started about displaying guinea golds), your posts, comments to others posts and assistance on subjects that you have knowledge about would be sorely missed. Please reconsider.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Steve F on April 03, 2013, 10:35:20 AM
OK only nominate a few cards - the task couldn't be harder, but they are from my preferred collecting theme - the wonderful game of cricket. My best few cards (not the rarest - IMO the best) would be...

1. 1902 Ogden's TAB's 'B Series' - #122 depicting the magnificent Melbourne Cricket Ground - the base of many of the greatest matches in my lifetime
2. 1935 John Mackintosh & Sons Ltd. - South African Cricketers #15 H.B. Cameron which has the added poignancy of the black border on the reverse side of the card signifying the passing of Bert Cameron in November 1935
3. 1938 African Tobacco Manufacturers - World of Sport #40 which depicts the Bodyline great and England express bowler Harold Larwood sending one down with his Test Cap still on!
4. 1949 Victorian Nut Supplies Ltd. - #1 Don Bradman - a magnificent caricature with W.G. Grace in the background doffing his cap to "The Master batsman of them all" as captioned by Mirams - the cartoonist - he could not have captured the Don's career any better

Great topic and surely one certain to generate some debate... 8)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 03, 2013, 10:49:23 AM
Well we are up to 22 now and still adding each day.

Fossil I dont know if you have left already or not, but the forum would be poorer for your loss. Will PM you and hope your still around.

I never did see this as being finished quickly, the idea was to encourage us all to think about our collection and if posed the question which cards would you say were the best of your collection and not best in the world which you would pick. What I have found interesting is that most the cards are not expensive and are by and large from easily obtainable sets. Even those that arent can be found easily and are still obtainable for a reasonable price. Speaking for myself I have purchased a couple of sets I wouldnt have normally have considered and am looking forward to them coming to see if I agree with the posters   ;)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: bri.d on April 03, 2013, 02:00:19 PM
having been involved in pigeon raceing for as long as i can remember
ogdens raceing pigeons card 42. the old toulet clock.or cheaters clock. you would be lucky to time one pigeon in 20 seconds. to todays modern ets were you can time 20 pigeons in one second.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 03, 2013, 07:47:34 PM
Okay my 3rd Choice and had to be a Newcastle Card i could choose many older and rarer and spoilt for choice with A &BC Gum but this one  is a  modern card from a Set entitled Footy Star issued by Philip Neill in 2008 so it would be clasified as a commercial trde card The reason is that it will be probably the only card i will also have the original artwork for ,   signed by the artist for It is for me a great peice of artwork and Ivor Broadis having met the man and enjoyed a chat with means all the more from a footballer of Newcastle United of the 50,s I have put card up as i cant seem to get the A4 orignal artwork on here as it comes up as pdf file

PDF file of artwork here its the gallery it wont let me post too
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Ogdenscards on April 04, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
Still thinking in fact thought of a few more I may nominate.

Fossil - you may be right in what you say but have enjoyed both reading your contribution and responding. Quality is better than quantity and you are part of that quality. Please reconsider.
David
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 04, 2013, 07:15:49 PM
Nothing stopping you from adding more David, picking 3 was just a starting number to make us collectors think about our cards iin a different light. So if you want to nominate a few more go ahead and do so.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 04, 2013, 08:01:06 PM
Well after a great deal of thought I have decided on number 3 and it is...

from Britains part in the war by Wills card 11 a tribute to the Minesweepers and RNR work. The depiction of 2 men on the bridge of a minesweeper scanning the cold waves of the North sea trying to protect the shipping lanes. The picture for me captures the cold wet work that these ships and men undertook. A total contrast to the my weekly cards that show sunny skies.

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: ridgeback on April 05, 2013, 08:48:38 AM
I like the Players Polar Exploration cards...I find them to be very interesting,well drawn,and they remind me of a time when exploration of that type was really rather dangerous.

I particularly like card 16 of the first series depicting three members of Shackletons expedition at the South Pole..with the union flag flying in the background..

All very British !

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Cedric1812 on April 05, 2013, 10:07:47 PM
If we are allowed more than 3 then I have to add Ogdens 'Flags and Funnels of Leading Steamship lines'. I love the look of this early set and it just represents a time when overseas trade/travel didn't rely as much on aeroplanes! Of course the card in the set I have chosen is the White Star Line as it was issued in 1906 and so before one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th Century prior to the Great War.

Incidentally it says on the back that at the time they had a 21000 ton vessel called Cedric! 
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 06, 2013, 08:23:36 AM
Cedric you have stolen my thunder The Churchmans Flags and Funnels was a very close second choice of mine  and i was intending to post them oh well Great choice though
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 06, 2013, 01:15:24 PM
Nothing stopping you adding to them Mick.

I will be updating our list later to see how far along we are.

Also come up with an idea on what to do with this list but need some thought first.

If you dont contribute you wont find out what my idea is!!!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 06, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
Time for the weekly update.

Some realy interesting picks and we are up to 27

Again if I have made any errors please PM me with the correct information and keep them coming about 1/4 of the way there so plenty of picks still to come.


1. The Somme, My Weekly silk (pic in gallery)
2. Space Shuttle card 46 Brooke Bond Race into space
3. Wild White/Prk Cattle card 3 Brooke Bond British wildlife
4.King Cup card 45 Gallagher Wild flowers
5. Kidnapped card 8 Thriller chewing gum
6. Adipose computer card 1013 Dr Who battles in time
7.John Travers Cornwell VC card 166 Gallaghers VC heros (pic in gallery)
8.The Frightful Cost of War card 280 The Horrors of War
9. The Raven card 1 Brooke Bond Bird portraits
10.Colibri Grenat LIEBIG women in bird costumes
11. Frauen Schönheit und Anmut Kosmos Dresden
12. Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band card 7 Anglo Yellow submarine.
13. Torbay Express card 7 Gallaghers trains of the world
14.White Hope card 46 Ogdens racing Pidgeons
15. Barn Owl Harvey & Davies Birds & Eggs
16. The Sable Churchmans Wild animals of the world
17.The Robin card 32 Players Wild Birds
18.Cricket (girl in cricket outfit?) Buchners morning glory
19. Melbourne Cricket Ground cards 122 Ogdens
20. H.B. Cameron card 15 John Mackintosh & sons South African cricketers
21. Harold Garwood card 4 African Tobacco Manufacturers World of sport
22. Don Bradman card 1 Victorian nut Suppliers
23. Cheaters Clock card 42 Ogdens racing pidgeons
24. Ivor Broadis Philip Niel Footy stars
25. Mine sweepers & RNR Wills Britains part in the war
26.Shakeltons Expedition card 16 Players Polar Exploration
27. White Star Line Ogdens flags & Funnels of leading steamship companies.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Ogdenscards on April 08, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
Collectively the Guinea Golds are the cards I enjoy the most, there is in excess of 20,000 cards including all the varieties, probably about 8000+ images. I suppose that's a bit general but it does complete your list. There are many cards I like in the Ogden's selection some a little pricey so I suppose they do not qualify.

There is one Guinea Gold that stands out for me and that's in the "Boar War & Boxer Rebellion & Miscellaneous" Base D adopted number 176 "Ogden's new Cigarette and Tobacco Factory, covering Five Acres" They did issue in 2 different bases in both small & large but that's too much detail. That's my first nomination. Why, well that's were it all happened. It opened in 1900 they were clearly proud of their factory hence the card and I intend to use it to front my eventual web sight.

Cannot remember where I purchase it but cat. £1.00 but is a premium card so probably would have to pay £10.00
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 09, 2013, 12:11:22 AM
wolfie, great new topic to start when this one ends !
101 members to post before they .....
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Cedric1812 on April 09, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
Hi Ogdenscards - thanks for posting an image of this one! I've been looking for a while for an example to add to my Base D 'Boer War and Misc.' and haven't had any joy. If you do have any duplicates I'd be interested - same goes for the Earl of Albermarle actually...

Cheers,
Sam

p.s. Nice chess board
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Ogdenscards on April 09, 2013, 07:01:41 PM
Cedric have both, the image shown is the large card but do have a small duplicate.
Plus many more just package about 1000 cards off to a collector to view mainly base M's 
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on April 09, 2013, 09:27:11 PM
Wolfie.
 
I will sort out my three cards soon.I have been busy on new kitchen.
Sometimes you have to put the wife first.  :)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 10, 2013, 08:14:32 AM
Right Wolfie lets get this list up and now i can have more than 3 then here goes Margaret Halstan ( i choose her over Edna May purely from an appreciative choice ) from the set by B Morris & Sons Ltd entitled Actresses ( black & white ) 1898 the reason i have chosen this is that she pops up in quite a few old sets Churchmans Boer War and Actresses in quite a few Ogdens and Phillips sets of that time It was the first full set of beauties i got and for cards issued in 1898 the price for this set in catalouge is suprisingly low for such a photographic set a la Guinea Gold type and for anyone who likes the old beauties i would say this set is a must and affordable If it works out price per card and 30 in this set so i would say i paid 60 pence for it
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 10, 2013, 08:16:56 AM
Dont I know that one Captain  ;)

With you Mick and i will be adding a couple more tonight so we can move this along.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 10, 2013, 08:26:39 AM
Welcome back Capt wondered where you had been , kitchens hey as easy a A &BC , look and learn Wolfie may cut out a few muttering here and there  ;) And onto Ipswich Town personally Sir Bobby Robson did a good job in the time he was manager at Newcastle but for me and Wolfie may agree the great Joe Harvey was more Newcastle through and through and deserved a more fitting accolade though i do beleive they are putting a commerative plaque up at St James for him and like Mick McCarthy a Yorkshire man Though i wouldnt worry about naming the stand after him your problem at Ipswich lies with the following

The Keiron Dyer Treatment Room
The Michael Chopra Casino
The Eric Gates Beauty Palour
The Alan Brazil Hairdressers
 ;D
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Ogdenscards on April 10, 2013, 11:58:34 AM
Just to add a little note about the Morris Actress. These cards were once cat at £30 ea a good while ago and someone found a unopened box full of mint sets that had not been distributed.
The market was then flooded with them hence the considerable price drop and the reason why so many are found in excellent condition.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Steve F on April 10, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
O.K. I can add another one or two...

1930 Richard LLoyd & Sons - Famous Cricketers Puzzle Series #21 because the artist turned a 'Bad man' into Don Bradman, which I'm sure is the first time this link occured in Don's life!

1921 McIntyre's Chocolates - 1920/21 Australian Cricketers - C.G. Macartney because the eyes on the image almost appear lifelike and give a hint to the steely nature that Macartney played his cricket with. All 15 cards from the series (3 inches x 2 inches) look magnificent when displayed - obtaining the Warwick Armstrong Redemption card is probably the only thing that could improve on them - I wish!

Keep collecting...

   
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 10, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
I do like the badman/bradman card. Excellent idea ;D

With you Mick, Joe Harvey was always in my mind the best Newcastle Manager bled black & white, then it would be Keegan because he understood that we dont expect to win trophies or leagues but we do expect teams to play for us and be proud of the top. Then Sir Bobby for the same reasons as Keegan, and I would count Pardew as a geordie manager, he understands the public and tries. So guess i now have at least 3 more cards to buy. lol
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 10, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
ok next on the list is.

Golden Eagle (female) from Players Birds & their young card #8.
The way the mother is drawn staring out looking for danger, trying to protect the fluffy white chick at her feet, sums up how some cards can show you nature in its finest form in the days before Mr Attenbrough and the Discovery channel.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 10, 2013, 09:08:16 PM
next along is from the Churchman set of Air-raid precautions card #44 Balloon Barrage for London.
there are many fine cards in this set and its hard to pick just one, but this for me shows the desperation of the situation. how all we had was some balloons to try and stop the bombers. Mice against Lions. in the words of Dr Who?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 10, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
i think i would like to make a comment on the last two posts.
with the birds and their young, as with the wild birds, boyh issued by players, and with several other natural history card sets during the 1930's.
these pictures were not actually drawn as such, but taken from real photographs, but enhanced by artists, so they seem to portray the birfds, or other fauna, more accurate than an artists own painting, or even copied from a painting.
also the air raids precautions set, issued by different cigarette companies, were made before war was even declared (1938 being earliest dates of issue). desperation is what wolfie mentions, yet despite that it is often stated that we were ill prepared for war, our defences against bombing was better prepared than germany at the time.
after all it was goering that boasted that no bombs would drop on berlin.
our aerial defences , which included the barrage balloons, also anti aircraft guns and fire brigades, national and auxillary, was  geared up and prepared for.
yes, germany did have anti aircraft guns, but did not plan for a bombing campaign, and the royal air force itself, did over fly germany, dropping proaganda leaflets, that did shake up the germans, as they did not expect any aircraft to really invade their air space.
britain was more like a sleeping lion, did not cherish the thought of war, but after finally awakening showed its true colours eventually.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on April 11, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
There is a German Air Raid Precautions set as well.  When I look at the English and German sets I realise just how little people realised what a war would be like.  They are obviously based on the experiences of WW1 where a lot of poisonous gas was used.  The cards illustrate things like how to gas-proof your house, how to wear a gas mask, etc.  all of which turned out to be largely unnecessary.  Putting out an incendiary bomb with a stirrup pump looks like a useful thing to be able to do right up until the moment when you get hit by a thousand bomber raid.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 11, 2013, 11:13:20 AM
the german 88mm anti aircraft gun, and its several variants, was one of the most formidable weapons of the second world war, and with its whheels kept on, was a superb anti tank gun.
my father told me of the fear amongst the armoured vehicle troops of the british army, during the desrt war, as it knocked out many british tanks.

what was the date of issue of the german air raids precautions set ?
was it pre, or during the war ?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on April 11, 2013, 11:45:24 AM
what was the date of issue of the german air raids precautions set ?
was it pre, or during the war ?
My catalogue lists it as 1940.  It was issued by the "Apotheken" (chemists or whatever they are called nowadays) so presumably they thought that's how they would reach most people.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 11, 2013, 12:29:14 PM
1940 !, so after they decided they were not invulnerable.
not  to belitle the them, after all, no other country in the world, has gone from being a bankrupt country, to a world power within twelve years.

p.s.

sorry wolfie, didn't intend to hijack your theme of 101 cards to get, so lets continue with the original topic
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on April 11, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
My three choices are:

1. 1965 A&BC Gum Civil war news No 19 Pushed to his doom. It was hard to choose a card from this iconic set,I could have picked all my three from it.
I loved the gruesome artwork from this set when I collected these cards aged 10

2. 1966 Somportex Gum Film scenes James Bond 007  No 45 Margaret Nolan in Goldfinger. I thought we needed a bit of glamour  ;D

3. 1925 Sanders Bros (custard) Birds,Fowls,Pigeons & Rabbits No 20 Goldfinch
I purchased this set about 30 years ago.I love the artwork.I have chosen the Goldfinch as this takes me back to when I was around 6 or 7 years old. My father found a Goldfinch with an injured foot,it wouldn't have survived in the wild. He used to sit in a cage and had such a beautiful song.
The set only cost £10 back then. Not very easy too find

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 12, 2013, 08:20:13 AM
No problem Fossil, the discussions on the cards is A: informative and B: what the post was set up for. I didnt know about real pics being used in the Birds and their young, nor that there was a German set on Air Raid precautions. That and the other stuff revealed on this post has opened my eyes to the knowledge base we have on here and to cards I would never have considered.

So come on Fossil time to add to the base of knowledge again.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 12, 2013, 08:47:25 AM
Congrats to Wolfie i cant see this topic being beaten by amount of views however to get to 101 which is the point for Wolfies plans ( to be revealed ) and also  it may entice members to get a type card or even set on what they have seen so far we best push the boat out and get going past the 50 mark So being generous here are another 3 i think merit inclusion

1 Phillip Allman Pin Up girls 1st series issued in 1953 this card allways seems to remind be of the motifs/artwork on the side of the bombers which was popular with the USAF also the 50,s trade american calendars and this being a more modern set from 1953 i wish it could have been done with earlier printing process as it would look even more stunning And a bit of glamour on here akin to the good Captain Cost of card £2

2 Wills Scissors Sporting Girls 1913 Skiing , i have previously posted that this was one of my personal must get sets and and it was this card that set me off just a wonderful coloured artistic card that would enhance any collection cost of card £4.50

3 Typhoo Tea Ltd Premium Issue Famous Football Clubs 1964  Of course being Magpie Mick and a little tribute to the originator of this topic Wolfie Reason for this card obvious but how many of us wish that when younger we didnt do what every kid did and put drawing pins or blu tack and on the bedroom wall they go , i was very pleased to get this card in a excellent condition and it included the rosette which came with card Cost i probably paid a bit over the cat price but for me £15 was a good deal for a card in the condition and a great add to my collection Card posted in gallery since it is deemed a cultural treasure
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 14, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
wolfie, i like the picture of churchmans 'britains part in the war'
beside the atlantic star medal, after about seventy years, they have decided to issue a new 'star' medal
the artic convoy star.
probably a bit too late for many of the men involved
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 14, 2013, 09:53:55 PM
yes thats true, i remember a piece on the local news about it. like lots of arms of service that get overlooked. without those men braving cold seas we may have been in a whole lot of trouble.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 18, 2013, 10:15:11 PM
hey guys, lets keep this one going, still need more members to add to list.
if new questions are are posted, this goes lower down the list and forgotten,
got to keep posting so this stays at top of the list to enable it to be finished
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 19, 2013, 03:52:28 PM
11 More to be added this weekend, unless more are added. I think that puts the total up to 38.

When we reach 50+ I shall reveal my master plan for this post. So come on folk lets get adding to this thread. The more the merrier and the quicker the master paln is revealed. until then its  :-X from me.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 20, 2013, 09:04:21 AM
Come on people get adding some more i cant keep hogging this thread with cards lets get some more up Newbies especially ,  Fossil Capt Cedric put a couple more on hey At lest this post will go back to top of list if anything
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on April 20, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
Hi everyone, just want to say what a great topic this is, and it just highlights the varied topics that are available to card collectors, however deep their pockets are. A good set doesn't have to be expensive.
I would like to add the Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic card from the Daily Mirror set of Star Soccer Cards, issued in 1971. I like this card for no other reason than it shows my club, AFC Bournemouth, and cards featuring them are few and far between. Living in the lower leagues for most of their history ( reached the old Div.1 in the early 90's for two seasons, but that was it ), we aren't as popular to card producers as the 'big boys' are. Apparently we were once voted the fans most popular second choice team though.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on April 20, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
I've discovered just how hard it is when you have to sort through your collection and select cards for this thread. I have always liked the 'real photo' sets, and have selected the card no.3 from the BAT Modern Beauties 6th Series as a representation of these. It features the MGM starlets Virginia Grey, Anne Rutherford and Priscilla Lawson, and for me it hints at the glamour of the age.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 20, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
I can just see the committee at the R&A in fits over the dress code at the MGM starlets golf club. ;)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 20, 2013, 02:22:03 PM
OK here is the weekly update

Now at 41. 9 more until the master plan reveal...

1. The Somme, My Weekly silk (pic in gallery)
2. Space Shuttle card 46 Brooke Bond Race into space
3. Wild White/Prk Cattle card 3 Brooke Bond British wildlife
4.King Cup card 45 Gallagher Wild flowers
5. Kidnapped card 8 Thriller chewing gum
6. Adipose computer card 1013 Dr Who battles in time
7.John Travers Cornwell VC card 166 Gallaghers VC heros (pic in gallery)
8.The Frightful Cost of War card 280 The Horrors of War
9. The Raven card 1 Brooke Bond Bird portraits
10.Colibri Grenat LIEBIG women in bird costumes
11. Frauen Schönheit und Anmut Kosmos Dresden
12. Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band card 7 Anglo Yellow submarine.
13. Torbay Express card 7 Gallaghers trains of the world
14.White Hope card 46 Ogdens racing Pidgeons
15. Barn Owl Harvey & Davies Birds & Eggs
16. The Sable Churchmans Wild animals of the world
17.The Robin card 32 Players Wild Birds
18.Cricket (girl in cricket outfit?) Buchners morning glory
19. Melbourne Cricket Ground cards 122 Ogdens
20. H.B. Cameron card 15 John Mackintosh & sons South African cricketers
21. Harold Garwood card 4 African Tobacco Manufacturers World of sport
22. Don Bradman card 1 Victorian nut Suppliers
23. Cheaters Clock card 42 Ogdens racing pidgeons
24. Ivor Broadis Philip Niel Footy stars
25. Mine sweepers & RNR Wills Britains part in the war
26.Shakeltons Expedition card 16 Players Polar Exploration
27. White Star Line Ogdens flags & Funnels of leading steamship companies.
28.Ogdens new factory Guinea Golds base D card 176
29. Margaret Halston Morris & son Actresses
30. Famous Cricketers puzzles  R.Lloyd & sons card 21
31. C.G.Macartney McIntyres Chocolates Australian cricketers
32. Golden Eagle (female) Players birds & their young card 8
33. Balloon Barrage for London Churchman Air raid precautions card 44
34. Pushed to his doom A&BC Gum Civil war news card 19
35. Margaret Nolan in Goldfinger Somportex Gum James Bond 007 card 45
36. Goldfinch Sanders Bros Birds,fowls,pidgeons & rabbits card 20
37. Ask for allmans - Always P.A. Allman pinup girls
38. Skiing Wills Scissors Sporting Girls
39. Newcastle United Typhoo Tea famous football clubs
40. Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic Daily Mirror star soccer
41. MGM starlets BAT modern beauties card 3
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on April 20, 2013, 03:35:44 PM
Since we're allowed more than three, I'll add a couple of Reemtsma cards.  They were issued in large numbers and most cards you find in Germany nowadays are from Reemtsma.  They should be in any representative collection.  There are a wide variety of subjects so I'll choose Jesse Owens, card 32 from the set about the Berlin summer olympics.  I don't have my album to hand to scan one in but you'll find an example here about half way down. 
http://www.oddlyquirky.com/trackandfield/cards/jesse_owens.html (http://www.oddlyquirky.com/trackandfield/cards/jesse_owens.html)
For the artists amongst you, I'll include a card from "Malerei des Barock". 
Neither of them are expensive, certainly less than a Pound.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 20, 2013, 06:58:42 PM
no one has added any Mars Attacks Cards so I guess I will.

Card 60 From Topps, see how evil those Martians are not only do they keep you awake to watch the experiment they keep your girlfriend watching as well. Damn those Martians.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on April 20, 2013, 08:13:28 PM
Wolfie

I wonder why this didn't make the original set  :o
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 20, 2013, 08:29:09 PM
????? explain to me ?
was this card not issued in the set ?
i know that you can by a repro set of mars attack,
wish you wouldn't post cards like this, as it makes me want to obtain a set, but i don't want to get tempted, and must continue with my theme.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on April 20, 2013, 08:52:39 PM
Fossil.

This card is one of 11 issued in 1994 Topps Mars Attacks Archive set.
The 11 cards are a subset Numbered 56-66
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 20, 2013, 10:10:26 PM
i have just been looking at the mars attacks set on ebay, and feel a bit confused.
just haw many sets of mars attack been issued.
what is the 'widevision 'set, was it the same as original set ?
what about promo cards and such?
there seem so many variation , booklets, deleted scenes etc.
can you enlighten the less informed on these cards ?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on April 21, 2013, 09:54:03 AM
Post deleted as requested Cap'n. 
This also explains a bit about Mars Attacks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Attacks)

Hare's a bit about widevision:
http://www.heartbreakingcards.com/2012/07/before-mars-attacks-heritage-there-was.html (http://www.heartbreakingcards.com/2012/07/before-mars-attacks-heritage-there-was.html)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on April 21, 2013, 10:19:56 AM
Fossil ,

Don't bother with the widescreen MA issue , unless you want to see scenes from the Mars Attack movie .

If you'd like to obtain a reprinted set go with the Topps Heritage reprint that contains the cards that didn't make the original set plus lots of other extras or try the Renatta Galasso reprint for a few £'s less .

I prefer the Topps Heritage re-issue as it's quality .

This is a super book that shows many of Saunders pulp magazine covers plus it covers his card art .
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Norman-Saunders-David/dp/0982004109 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Norman-Saunders-David/dp/0982004109)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 21, 2013, 11:58:30 AM
hey guys, this is like taking eve to the forbidden fruit, temptation indeed.
i have been looking at all the various websites you have all been posting this morning, plus found a few other websites myself, so seen many fascinating images.
noticed that amazon is selling the heritage card set for £14 99..
i have also been on jeff allanders website, and he lists the contents on all mars attacks cards, and there are stack of specials, so to concentrate on mars attacks cards, one would end up with several hundred cards.
i gather there is another set out in october this year.
as with all cards on this forum and others posted, the teptation when card collecting is very hard to resist, and like many of you,  that specialise, money spent on another set out of your scope, is less money spent on what you specialise in.

seeing that we may be allowed to post more cards than our allotted three cards, i will add a couple more later this week, as we have got to get to the 101 cards.
this article has now surpassed all other articles posted, by having the most replys, so is a record in itself
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: IanSammel on April 21, 2013, 01:45:09 PM
money spent on another set out of your scope, is less money spent on what you specialise in.

Specialize in Mars Attacks Fossil, then you won't have that problem  :)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on April 21, 2013, 01:52:27 PM
www.toplessrobot.com/.../the_20_most_twisted_mars_attacks_cards (http://www.toplessrobot.com/.../the_20_most_twisted_mars_attacks_cards).

Edit by moderator:
I think this is the link you meant Cap'n:
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/10/the_20_most_twisted_mars_attacks_cards.php (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/10/the_20_most_twisted_mars_attacks_cards.php)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 21, 2013, 02:51:55 PM
wel ian, if anybody would like to purchase over two and a half thousand full sets of cards, i will probably have enough money to purchase all the mars attack cards ever issued.

the website that captain pugwash put up, appears not to be working
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 21, 2013, 10:46:20 PM
i posted that mars attacks cards as its one of the less risky of the deleted set(s).

The topless robot is an excellent resource for mars attacks cards.

Also IDW Comics are giving a card free with the comic not too sure where or how they fit in, as I havent seen any yet.

The heritage set is realy the only way toget hold of these cards with put  spending a really serious amount of money. The Amazon price is a good price for these cards you get a lot more than just reprints of the original set.

Also the new set will include randomly inserted original set cards. I am guessing these will be reprints of the original set otherwise the prices on ebay will drop rapidly come October or more likely box buyers will snap them up and keep them away from collectors.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 24, 2013, 11:22:17 AM
seeing that we are allowed more than three cards, to this list, i would like to add another card, from one of my top sets.
once again, this set has real nostalgic memories for me, as the earliest i can recall this set was as a six year old boy walking to school with my grandmother , and seeing a card from this set on the pavement, in which i picked it up.
these cards were issued in packets of brooke bond tea , and as most of their sets, included as an educational card.
i ncan recall the 'out into space' sets very clearly, issued circa 1956.
i would walk pass the grocers shop, and the shop window would have wonderful three dimensional displays issued by brooke bond, with mobiles and display cards placed all around the shop.
broke bond excelled themselves in those days with their three dimensional displays, and would entice many children to purchase packets of brooke bond tea, instead of other brands.
i know for sure that i did, pesterin g both my grandmothers and mother to buy packets just for the cards, probably just as much as several generations before me would pester adults to buy cigareetes from a particular brand , just to obtain the cards.
one thing that seems to outstand  to me with this set, is the 'blueness' of the cards, both backs and fronts., and of course the album and displays for this set.
there is no particular card that i can say is a favourite for this set, but i have choosen card number 11, 'planets-sizes'
what intrigued me as a child , wsas that there were two varieties, when found .
at the time, i was unaware of the significance of this, but as an adult, aware why the two varieties.
the first cards showed inner and outer planets, but the error, was that pluto was mistakenly included as an inner planet, and this was later amended by taking out the wording inner and outer planets and leaving description blank.
in fact the true description should have been on the planet sizes, or should have referred to the gaseous or non -gaseous planets.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 24, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
apologie for lack of picture, my daughter , before she went attached a photo, but on posting, a message came up stating that file was to large, so was not included.
i will get her upload the pictures in a day or so.
in the meantime, can members add further cards to this list please, as we need more cards to finish this list.
ait cannot be finished without the co-operation of members that habve not listed yet.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 25, 2013, 11:36:22 AM
second attempt to get the images up for the 101 cards to get.......
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Cedric1812 on April 25, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
Ahhhh, this takes me back to the good old days - when Pluto was still a planet...
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 25, 2013, 01:27:16 PM
pluto !...a planet?
i always thought he was a character dog from disney ?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on April 25, 2013, 07:08:27 PM
Right, eventually made my third choice, it is from the Brooke Bond set " The Race Into Space ", from 1971. This was one of the first sets I ever completed, and basically opened up a very exciting world to a 10yr old eager to learn the wonders of the universe! This is card number 17, Gemini 3, but I could have chosen any of them really.  It still makes fascinating reading / viewing forty odd years later. I guess tea cards were a way into cartophily for a lot of people of my generation, and the lack of modern producers could be why a lot of younger people are being lost to the hobby these days. After all, unlike most modern cards, they were free and readily available. Hopefully the likes of PG could take a leaf (no pun intended) out of Butterworths book, and reintroduce cards to their packets again. I live in hope! 
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 25, 2013, 10:06:05 PM
maybe we should start an on line petition and get them to start putting cards in the tea again.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on April 25, 2013, 10:19:25 PM
well wolfie, as an austgralian collector commented, food and teas taste better, when cards are issued free..
i stopped brooke bond, when they discontinued cards
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on April 25, 2013, 10:36:06 PM
Good idea Wolfie! I for one would be glad to sign it. Over to you....
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 28, 2013, 09:21:35 AM
1. The Somme, My Weekly silk (pic in gallery)
2. Space Shuttle card 46 Brooke Bond Race into space
3. Wild White/Prk Cattle card 3 Brooke Bond British wildlife
4.King Cup card 45 Gallagher Wild flowers
5. Kidnapped card 8 Thriller chewing gum
6. Adipose computer card 1013 Dr Who battles in time
7.John Travers Cornwell VC card 166 Gallaghers VC heros (pic in gallery)
8.The Frightful Cost of War card 280 The Horrors of War
9. The Raven card 1 Brooke Bond Bird portraits
10.Colibri Grenat LIEBIG women in bird costumes
11. Frauen Schönheit und Anmut Kosmos Dresden
12. Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band card 7 Anglo Yellow submarine.
13. Torbay Express card 7 Gallaghers trains of the world
14.White Hope card 46 Ogdens racing Pidgeons
15. Barn Owl Harvey & Davies Birds & Eggs
16. The Sable Churchmans Wild animals of the world
17.The Robin card 32 Players Wild Birds
18.Cricket (girl in cricket outfit?) Buchners morning glory
19. Melbourne Cricket Ground cards 122 Ogdens
20. H.B. Cameron card 15 John Mackintosh & sons South African cricketers
21. Harold Garwood card 4 African Tobacco Manufacturers World of sport
22. Don Bradman card 1 Victorian nut Suppliers
23. Cheaters Clock card 42 Ogdens racing pidgeons
24. Ivor Broadis Philip Niel Footy stars
25. Mine sweepers & RNR Wills Britains part in the war
26.Shakeltons Expedition card 16 Players Polar Exploration
27. White Star Line Ogdens flags & Funnels of leading steamship companies.
28.Ogdens new factory Guinea Golds base D card 176
29. Margaret Halston Morris & son Actresses
30. Famous Cricketers puzzles  R.Lloyd & sons card 21
31. C.G.Macartney McIntyres Chocolates Australian cricketers
32. Golden Eagle (female) Players birds & their young card 8
33. Balloon Barrage for London Churchman Air raid precautions card 44
34. Pushed to his doom A&BC Gum Civil war news card 19
35. Margaret Nolan in Goldfinger Somportex Gum James Bond 007 card 45
36. Goldfinch Sanders Bros Birds,fowls,pidgeons & rabbits card 20
37. Ask for allmans - Always P.A. Allman pinup girls
38. Skiing Wills Scissors Sporting Girls
39. Newcastle United Typhoo Tea famous football clubs
40. Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic Daily Mirror star soccer
41. MGM starlets BAT modern beauties card 3
42. Berlin Summer Olympics Reemtsma (German set) Jesse Owens card 32
43. Malerei des Burock Reemtsma (German set)
44. Mars Attacks Archive set Unspeakable Experiments card 60
45. Out into Space Brooke Bond Tea Planet sizes card 11
46. The Race into Space Brooke Bond Tea Gemini 5 card 17

Well up to 46 now. 4 more until the reveal folks. Some of you who have returned from the convention must have a few more to add. + anyone else is most welcome to add don't worry if you can't scan pics in, its the info we are after.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Mariner tony on April 28, 2013, 07:04:14 PM
Apologies for the lack of pics but my three cards would be as follow (in no particular order)
1. A&bc gum (1969) Star Trek card no. 55.
2. Barratt (1967) Captain Scarlett card no. 1.
3. Kane Products (1955) Space Adventure card no. 8.
Each of these cards transport me personally to another place. Childhood nostalgia, the space age and endless imaginary exploits!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on April 28, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Wolfie this was your brainchild so would you do the honour of no 50
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 29, 2013, 08:30:46 AM
OK then card 50 will be "Let em all come" a WW1 silk depicting a British Bulldog (old style, not the churchill variety) guarding a Union Flag. There is a pic in the gallery.

So I guess it up to 50 now.

The plan now is if everyone is ok with it, to do an EBook (Kindle, Kobo etc.) This will be free of charge of course but all those who have contributed will get a mention, well your names from here will but you know who you are. As will the site/forum.
Before I publish or whatever you call doing an EBook all those who have added to the list will recieve a copy/PDf file so they can check I have the facts about the cards correct. When everyone is happy I will then do it. I guess it will be 101 cards to own before you die volume 1 followed at some point by volume 2.

I will try to do it and us justice, but when you recieve your file please feel free to critise and add comments, after all its our hobby and we are all co-owners of the work.

So if your all ok with that, I shall start to compile volume 1, though it may take some time to do it right so please bare with me.
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Post by: up the cherries! on April 29, 2013, 07:03:10 PM
I think that's a great idea Wolfie! I wish you every success. Can I get pt2 started with some choices from my 11yr old son James? As I've mentioned in previous posts, he doesn't have any real interest in cigarette cards, but does like the more modern trade issues, particularly Star Wars, Star Trek and anything related to Marvel comics. So, here goes

1.Card no.285 from the Topps issue, 'Star Wars Galaxy series 3'. This series features art drawn images of various characters from the movies, books,  and tv, and are generally very well presented.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on April 29, 2013, 07:23:38 PM
O.K., another from my son. This card was actually purchased from the Woking convention, and has become an instant favourite with him.

2.Galactus, from the Fleer / Skybox set 'Marvel Masterpieces, series 4', issued in 1995. This card is from the 22 card 'canvas' chase-set, and is I believe, of very high quality.   
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Post by: up the cherries! on April 29, 2013, 07:36:33 PM
Card no.3 from James, and this features one of his favourite Marvel characters, Peter Parker, alias Spiderman.

3.Card no.3 from the Comic Images set, issued in 1991,'1st Covers, series 2'. This set,  as suggested by the title, reproduces the covers of the 1st issue of various Marvel Comics, this one being issue no.1 of Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-man. This was a way for Marvel to cash in on the popularity of this character, and to have more than one title available each month for his fans.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on April 30, 2013, 08:13:22 AM
Excellent choices I love the Galactus one. Some of the comic book related cards are of a very high standard, and there is a set of cards that has the covers from the old Astounding tales that i have had my eye on for a while.
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Post by: fossil on April 30, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
wolfie, how many cards can each member put on here, as i have others, but don't want to put too many on, as we need space for other members cards ?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on April 30, 2013, 10:57:30 AM
I must admit I do like some of the modern cards , the images the Hilderbradt brothers produced were awesome .

My third choice and it's a very important card for me as it completes my set .
Many thanks to Mick for taking the time and making the effort at CSBG '13 .
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Post by: wolfie on April 30, 2013, 09:08:09 PM
Fossil you can add away, if you want to add more then no problem at all.

Dant i need a bit more info on your card please,  cant put mick got it for him  ;)

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: TheHoarder on May 08, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
Test re Wolfie: 

"Hi I tried to add another card to the 101 list today and found I couldnt post either a reply or an attachment to the post, anyone else having trouble with this?"
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 08, 2013, 03:05:02 PM
another for the list. Nelson being rowed up the Thames from the LIEBIG SET History of England, St. Pauls is clearly seen in the background
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: exdrummer on May 08, 2013, 06:55:10 PM
Now I know how to scan cards in, here is the cricket subject from Buchners "Morning Glory Maidens".
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 08, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
Now if cricket was more like that you may wean me away from Football  ;)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 09, 2013, 08:16:52 AM
Just to keep you all up to date, I have started to compile the first part of the list and begun an early draft. As I progress I may need to contact contributers for more info on the cards they have added. So bare with me folk, I am plodding along.

Also part 2 is still open and would welcome more contributions from everyone. It dosnt matter if you have already added or not or even if you cant scan to the site (though it makes things easier).

Look forward to seeing more stuff.
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Post by: Captain Pugwash on May 10, 2013, 05:13:42 PM
My 1st card for part 2.

A&BC (Bubbles) Mars attacks # 36 Destroying a Dog

My favourite from this set.

Painted by American pulp magazine artist Norm Saunders. Norm's son David posed as the boy with his dog Cindy also pictured. 
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Post by: magpiemick on May 11, 2013, 01:05:42 PM
Now part 2 is open better contribute some more and first up  this time since my passion is football A football themed card No 4 from Hignetts AFC Nicknames Birmingham City I choose this card for 1 this is from the rarer set of AFC nicknames by Hignetts the other being the more available Ogden's set I choose this card for in todays politically correct world they would never have got away with publishing this image but as a whole AFC nicknames is a must for any football card collector the cartoon images for each team are quite simply stunning and very well thought out
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Post by: exdrummer on May 11, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
Here are some more Buchner cards, including football. Not from my collection, the guy in America wanted loads of dosh for them, and in that condition I would only take them if he was almost giving them away. This is for you football fans. :)
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Post by: wolfie on May 12, 2013, 08:05:38 AM
I dont recognise that strip! must be none league ;)
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Post by: Penno55 on May 14, 2013, 09:15:08 PM
C'mon Guys , give the lurkers something to look at by at least showing your fav card (apart from MagpieMick) .

My 2nd entry ..from the US set titled Horrors of War , one of the scarcer cards in this 280 card mega-monster of a set to complete .

#240

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Great card, I love the US gum cards from the 1930s. I am steadily putting together the Gum Inc G Men having sold my previous set to a U S dealer called Hugh Jones at the National sports card convention in St Louis In 1995. Remember seeing Martin Murray there and also Phil Smedley from Canada. Hugh advertised in the Wrapper which I subscribed to at the time and we met up in St Louis and completed the deal. I spent the money on ATC baseball cards 206s and 205s
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 14, 2013, 10:25:27 PM
Hi & Welcome Penno ,
I've heard Mr Jones talked about with great passion as he seemed to have the knack of finding ultra scarce and rare US cards , he must be sadly missed by many US card collectors .

If you don't mind you could give us a blast of a few of your favourite cards .

Good luck with the G-Men set , a popular and tough one to complete especially with all the variations and those scarce #'s .
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 15, 2013, 08:25:34 AM
Would be good to see a example of the G-man set on here Penno
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Post by: Penno55 on May 15, 2013, 06:59:35 PM
What is the best way to upload images please
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 15, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
you need to scan them then when you open a thread or reply at the bottom of the box is a line that reads attachments or other options click on that then click on browse select your card and post it on here or in the gallery. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: madmike on May 16, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
Just to add a little note about the Morris Actress. These cards were once cat at £30 ea a good while ago and someone found a unopened box full of mint sets that had not been distributed.
The market was then flooded with them hence the considerable price drop and the reason why so many are found in excellent condition.

In response to the above, I also heard that there were a lot less quantity of two of the cards than all the others. Unfortunately, I can't remember which two it was, but it means that if you attempt to buy the cards in this set singly (like I originally did), you may struggle to complete the set.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: madmike on May 16, 2013, 03:36:37 PM
Here is my first contribution to this post. Growing up collecting Brooke Bond cards in the sixties, I have to nominate a subject from my favourite set, namely Transport Through The Ages. I'm not particularly a transport buff, but I just loved, and continue to love the vivid colours of this set. As you all know, this is a readily available set, not expensive at all and you can easily pick up a full set on ebay for £1.00. There are a few cards in the set that I particularly like the way the colours have been used, but as I have to pick a single card, I will go for no. 6 - Stage Coach.



Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 17, 2013, 10:44:56 AM
nice card Mike ,

I have a liking for sets that feature Wild West characters so my 1st choice for part 2 is a US gum card issued by Topps . (It'll keep garno happy as it's in the right holder  :) )

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Post by: Robin Friday on May 17, 2013, 11:39:05 AM
I also like Pirate sets and heres 1 of the best , taken from an often overlooked UK issue .
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Post by: Robin Friday on May 17, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
my 3rd choice for part 2 , this one from a more modern Liebig issue - 1960 or thereabouts .
Another action card .
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Post by: magpiemick on May 18, 2013, 07:55:35 AM

Hi Dant

This Liebig set is S1777 Exploits of the Belgian Air Force issued in 1962

http://www.chromo.be/1detail.asp?reeksnr=1777 (http://www.chromo.be/1detail.asp?reeksnr=1777)

The above website link is the very best for Liebig cards arranged by year/theme /country/alphabetically some wonderful cards can be seen
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 18, 2013, 09:54:18 AM
Hi Mick , many thanks .

I've met a few fellow collectors who have travelled to meet the Gent who runs this site and it's cost them a lot of money but they've walked away with some lovely card  .
I'm more of a cheap skate when it comes to Liebig but I do like a few of the late 50's / 1960's sets that have some action cards in them .

My favourites are

S1787
http://www.chromo.be/1detail.asp?reeksnr=1706 (http://www.chromo.be/1detail.asp?reeksnr=1706)

Card 1 from S1855 , it's rather gruesome .

I'm not a big Liebig card collector but I was drawn to these sets as they sort of reminded me of the 1930's US gum card issues of Horrors of War and the Uncle Sam but with a more modern approach to the art work and colours .
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Post by: Cedric1812 on May 18, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
Ok gents... I'll be the one to say it. The 1888 Allen and Ginter Celebrated American Indian Chiefs (2). It is my favourite set of them all and has been my Everest (along with the Franklyn Davey Birds!) since I was about 15. I appreciate that the more historically significant chiefs were probably Sitting Bull, Spotted Tail, Red Cloud, Geronimo and Chief Joseph but the nicest card in the set in my mind is of 'Man and Chief'. It is one of my all time favourites and I had to add it to the list.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 18, 2013, 08:46:31 PM
I've always loved the images for the Ginter Indians  and spent a few weeks researching the source of the photos for the artists , it was a most enjoyable task .
I only have 1 in my collection .
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Post by: Cedric1812 on May 18, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
I was always under the impression that many were taken on their official visits to meet the president ('The Great White Father')? They were given commemorative medals and some of the guys can be seen wearing these. Are the pictures in the Smithsonian now?

If you haven't read the book by Dee Brown 'Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee' I recommend it. It recounts the lives and exploits of many of the chiefs in the set. It is of course sad in many parts, one thing I remember was in the chapter on the Nez Perces - when Chief Joseph's doctor was asked what he died from he apparently said 'a broken heart'.

The amazing thing for me is that it was issued in 1888 so Sitting Bull would no doubt have been aware that cards were being issued with him on them! He died in 1890 but it's amazing to think he probably owned or at least held one of these cards to look at. He was instrumental in Red Cloud's war and the mess at Little Bighorn but that makes it a bit more that a normal cigarette card for me!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 18, 2013, 09:47:41 PM
Hi Cedric , a super point about Sitting Bull and his awareness of his image on the cards .
Many of the original photos we're taken a few  years apart by different photographers .
When I get to the PC I'll forward a few links that show the originals against the cards , I believe most of the originals are in the Smithsonian .
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 19, 2013, 08:31:18 AM
I have decided to add one of Louis Raemaekers cartoons in to the pack.

It took a lot of thought and a few false starts before I plumped on this one.

Kultur has passed here, card No# 93 issued by Carreras. series of Raemaekers war cartoons headed with the line Lest we forget.
This picture shows a dead woman and child and mocks the German claim to Kultur or the superiority of German Culture over other nations.
The German government were so upset that they offered a reward of 12000 guilders dead or alive for Raemaeker and insisted that the Dutch government put him on trial for endangering Dutch neutrality, however a jury found him not guilty.
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Post by: wolfie on May 19, 2013, 08:51:46 AM
47. A&bc gum (1969) Star Trek card no. 55.
48. Barratt (1967) Captain Scarlett card no. 1.
49. Kane Products (1955) Space Adventure card no. 8.
50. "Let em all come" a WW1 silk depicting a British Bulldog (old style, not the churchill variety) guarding a Union Flag.
51. Card no.285 from the Topps issue, 'Star Wars Galaxy series 3'.
52. Galactus, from the Fleer / Skybox set 'Marvel Masterpieces, series 4'
53. Card no.3 from the Comic Images set, issued in 1991,'1st Covers, series 2'.
54. Nelson being rowed up the Thames from the LIEBIG SET History of England,
55. Buchners "Morning Glory Maidens
56. A&BC (Bubbles) Mars attacks # 36 Destroying a Dog
57. card No 4 from Hignetts AFC Nicknames Birmingham City
58. Transport through the ages no. 6 - Stage Coach
59. Topps Round up card 61 Geronimo
60. Milkana Mild Pirates set Morgan the terrible card 13
61.Liebig set Exploits of the Belguim Airforce
62. 1888 Allen and Ginter Celebrated American Indian Chiefs (2). Man and Chief
63. Kultur has passed here, card No# 93 issued by Carreras. series of Raemaekers war cartoons

Up to 65 so far but have only added 63 to the list as I need a little more info from 2 of our members.
Dant need a bit more info on your Derby County card please
TheHoarder same for your Figaro card please then I will add them in to the list.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far, keep them coming folks we are nearly there.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 19, 2013, 08:59:04 AM
On a lighter note from the Raemaekers card my next contribution is from a set often overlooked in favoure of its big brother its the TOPPS set Dinosaurs Attack card No# 32 Cat Lady's revenge.

Like the Mars Attacks set it tells a story and this particular card tells what happened when a monster turned up on Selma Plouts door and threatened her cats. same as the mars attack set the violence is graphic. Set was issued in 1988, 55 cards including checklist + 11 stickers

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 19, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
Wolfie , Dino is a super set , many thanks for adding it and the reminder .
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For Wolfie and any other members who might be interested , a scan of 2 G-Men cards .
A super tough set to collect if you include the variations etc but an easier base set is doable .
This set is skip numbered .

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Post by: Robin Friday on May 19, 2013, 09:43:03 AM
After this project is finished would it be feasible to try and add a card from each UK issue (tobacco/trade) to a section in the Gallery ?
I'm sure it would be a good resource for other collectors .

Any thoughts ?

Just wonderin' out loud .

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 19, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
Big project but one that would be great to do. + would be invaluable for members old and new.

Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 19, 2013, 10:04:30 AM
Wolfie , Derby card is David Nish , number 31 from the Bassett issue Football 1978-79
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Post by: wolfie on May 19, 2013, 11:14:42 AM
64. David Nish , number 31 from the Bassett issue Football 1978-79

and thats me away to the pub, then the match, sorry gooner fans no Champions league for you (hopefully) ;)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on May 20, 2013, 10:46:30 AM
For the 2nd part of 101 cards I would like to go back to my beginning as a collector and the set which inspired me to collect Churchman's Card no 30 Mrs Nelson (woman sweep) from In Town Tonight issued in 1938 by WA & AC Churchman An innovative set of characters who were all photographed in the London Studio of the Court Photographer Douglas the little bio's of each person made for interesting reading and the one that captivated me was the story of the only female chimney sweep in London , Mrs Nelson . Later on during the blitz one of the characters I think it was the rat catcher was caught without his id papers on him and he duly produced the cigarette card he was on , out and simply said that's me
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: madmike on May 21, 2013, 12:16:42 AM
Hi Mick , many thanks .

I've met a few fellow collectors who have travelled to meet the Gent who runs this site and it's cost them a lot of money but they've walked away with some lovely card  .
I'm more of a cheap skate when it comes to Liebig but I do like a few of the late 50's / 1960's sets that have some action cards in them .

My favourites are

S1787
[url]http://www.chromo.be/1detail.asp?reeksnr=1706[/url] ([url]http://www.chromo.be/1detail.asp?reeksnr=1706[/url])



I am assuming that this is run by Albert van den Bosch. I've dealt with him postally. He does have some fantastic cards, but very very expensive in my experience. (The two verys is not a typo)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on May 28, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
OK just a quick update with the project. As of today I have 27 pages up and running and have tried them out on Kindle and got the Contents page working at last. So if all goes to plan you should be able to click on a heading and it will take you to that page.

I will be getting in touch with folk as I get closer to completion because i need some background on a few (well quite a few) of the cards otherwise its just going to be a collection of pictures.

Anyway back to the grindstone.

Dont forget to keep adding folks
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on May 29, 2013, 04:43:40 PM
who would want to die without owning a Batman card or set .
This is card number 16a  from the 44 card Topps /A&BC  1966 issue ' Batman A ' with red bat to front .

Portable Bat Signals .
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Post by: Robin Friday on May 30, 2013, 03:50:07 PM
a slightly more modern vibe .
Card 46 from the 1994 F.P.G issue Joe Jusko's Edgar Rice Burroughs Collection 1 .

Cannibal Frenzy .
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Post by: Cedric1812 on May 31, 2013, 03:21:08 PM
Ok gents, another for the list. Carreras' 'Alice in Wonderland' (1930) - card number 42. The reason I've gone for this one is that I love the drawing of the Cheshire Cat and Alice here by Sir John Tenniel - this image was taken from chapter 6 of Alice in Wonderland and I believe was etched in 1860s.

I also love the fact you get a feel for the whole book in just 50 cards - every one of the images really capturing the imagination. I wouldn't have gone for something like this usually and I've seen these at fairs and ignored them for years but when I actually stopped and looked at it I was taken aback at what a great little set it is!
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Post by: magpiemick on June 02, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
Another one for part 2 Army Careers Information Office British Regiments 1991 card no 24 Royal Army Ordnance Corp I choose this card because its my old Corp (  now renamed The Logistic Regiment which swallowed up RAPC RPC ACC RCT RAOC ) other military cards tend to be of days gone by of the 1st Foot and Mouth regiments so this is a modern up to date ish card A lot of people only thought of the RAOC as the quartermasters of the army but we provided the very essential job along with the Royal Engineers of Bomb disposal and EOD operations so this pictures shows an Ammunition Technician before the long walk as well as a ceremonial dress picture
If you collect military cards and you were yourself in the forces you must have one of your own regiment/corps

Sua Tela  Tonanti
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Post by: wolfie on June 02, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
Agree with you there Mick, I have this set and being a Fusilier have a number of cards that deal with mY Regt. even if i dont want the whole set they come from I do pick up any I dont have.  This set is a cracking set for a modern issue love the way it has both working and ceremonial dress on the same card.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on June 06, 2013, 05:01:34 PM
My 2nd choice in round two.

A&BC Gum Railway Quiz 1959  No 10  Mallard

A beautifully painted set of 72 cards.

I have chosen the Mallard for it's sleek aerodynamic lines.

cost approx £2
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on June 16, 2013, 03:55:57 PM
if you like card sets that follow a story line then this is a beauty ;

Issued by Somportex in 1968 the set consists of 6 stories with 12 cards per episode .
Sectional backs .

The Adventures of Sexton Bake , Story 1 Picture 1

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Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: robinnood on August 05, 2013, 09:14:42 PM
my first choice of cards would be number 18 from players victoria cross,the card is of private a h hook at rorkes drift,zulu is my favourite film of all time and i can always remember reading an article about how the family of henry hook were a bit annoyed with james booths portrayal of hook as an idler and malingerer.
my second card would be number 32  the red headed gouldian finch from players aviary and cage birds,what an absolutely beautiful set of cards,probably one of players finest sets.
my third choice would be number 28 tommy lawton from wills 1939 association footballers,i met tommy at the red lion pub in hucknall, notts a few weeks before he died .what a lovely man , nothing was too much trouble for him,my first cards that i actually bought(from a boot sale)were the footballers ,tommy included.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on August 20, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
Hi, as this thread appears to have slowed down a bit of late, I hope nobody objects to me adding a couple more cards to the list? The first of these is a card from the German manufacturer Erdal - Kwak. Apologies to anyone if that isn't correct! The cards were issued in sets of six, and were similar in size to the Leibig cards. This is from series number 65, and I just love the period view of the subject matter and the colours of the artwork. This is card number 5.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on September 14, 2013, 04:56:49 AM
Any new members have any contributions ?
All welcome .
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on September 14, 2013, 07:57:24 AM
I am still putting together the list, just taking more time than I thought. So more cards are welcome
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: cigcardpix2 on October 27, 2013, 08:55:41 AM
as the newbie to the site, hope I can add my couple of favourites.
the Liebig card is from the set of 6 "Queens" issued in 1907. Although there are many stunning Liebig cards, she has always been the one for me....and she was a screensaver on my previous computer for several years. The set can usually be bought for less than £20 (card is cropped to get under the 900kb limit)
The Wills card depicting the Mauretania is not just superb artwork, but also has personal, local connections as she was built on the Tyne, and in our local science museum they have a huge model of her (and many others) built at the shipyard. As a young boy I was fascinated by them and always wanted to go to sea.....which I did
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on October 27, 2013, 12:06:36 PM
2 very welcome additions, now winter is on its way I can crack on with this. Keep them coming folks
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on November 04, 2013, 04:01:28 PM
After some thought, i decided to add this card to the 101 list. Mainly because it sums 2 things up for me. The first is of course the TV series Dr Who, its an iconic Dr to me many a saturday evening I have spent watching this man run around saving us from those nasty aliens, and the second reason is its a modern card from TOPPS and the Attax series. I personaly think that TOPPS are missing a trick here by not having scenes from the various TV shows on the cards and only having portrait type pics.

Still who am i to tell TOPPS that the marketing stratergy is all wrong when they sell tons of these cards.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Roadie16 on January 03, 2014, 01:46:29 AM
My top 7:

Horrors of War Gum 1938
Horrors of War (Famous Fabrics) 2011
Scoop Topps 1954
Mars Attacks! Bubbles, Inc. (Topps) – 1962
Civil War News   Topps – 1962
America at War: Band of Brothers Ultimate Autograph Collection – ICARDZ 2009 (?)
Battle: The Story of World War II   A&BC Cards – 1965Boy Scouts Ogdens 1929

Highlighted ones I have now.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on March 19, 2014, 12:38:22 AM
It's hard to say. Where to start?

I'm not ready to die. I don't even have time to assemble my eight Desert Island Cards ATM.

I love the following card. It's not by any means rare.

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?strucID=471666&imageID=1193248 (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?strucID=471666&imageID=1193248)

Why?

A few reasons will have to do here.

The sepia tone is understatedly funky. As is the painstaking drawing, with its spareness and considerable artistic merit, (clearly) on a photographic base.

Walter R Hammond (he hated "Wally" - the anxieties of a would-be upwardly mobile, underpaid cricketer of the first half of the 20th century) was a great cricketer, but an enigma too. He might have achieved more. The truism is that his career was blighted by his even greater rival, Bradman, but that is only partly true. He had many demons of his own, of course not only and not mainly cricket-related. He was given to melancholy, and taciturnity. Grumpiness even. He was an attacking batsman of great timing, power and beauty (when he sparked). And he had a very expressive face.

This portrait, I think, gives a sense of all of that.

The right hand grips the bat with an artist's fine touch. The left fist clenches in quiet determination - or perhaps anger? He is walking in to bat (or has he just been dismissed?). There is a measured pace and poise in his walk on the ground underfoot.

Yet his face is angled slightly strangely. As if to look away, but his eyes tend towards us. "Hamlet" is a cliche', but there is that too in his princely demeanour. And in those intense eyes with heavy brows and lids, in that incomplete, uncertain, slightly opened mouth.

Whether I feel "Nunc dimittis" whenever I look on this card - as the thread title might suggest - well, that would asking a lot. 

But I do love, and value, and marvel at this card, from exactly 80 years ago.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on March 27, 2014, 02:01:48 AM
Going back seven more years, here's my second.

The final card of Millhoff's set of 25 Roses (De Reszke cigarettes) from 1927, and to my mind the best of the lot. (Not merely because it's the only one I have ;) ) I'll try below to explain why - and why I think it's a treasure too. Though not a rare card, or pricey.

But first, so you can see what I'm on about, here are front and back:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/PeterCS/cc01a.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/PeterCS/media/cc01a.jpg.html)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/PeterCS/cc01b.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/PeterCS/media/cc01b.jpg.html)

The whole set of 25 is set against black. In fact, it's very dark grey on the card, but the effect is the same.

I think this bright crimson (of this flower) stands out best against this common background.

I also like the openness of the bloom displayed - it has elements of a wild rose, a dog rose, not overcultivated. Other flowers in the set look clodden and cooked by comparison. Variously coloured cabbages and brussels sprouts, in some cases.

I would not like to say that "this is a beautiful rose" - it is clearly a (beautiful) painting of a rose, an idea of a beautiful rose. And yet, while telling the viewer, without any shame, "this is a carefully designed work of art, not a beauty of nature, you're looking at", this one is more lifelike and less "forced" than most other cards in the set. Another thing that makes it the best of the lot, I think.

The arrangement of the elements of the flower on this card in particular is fantastic. The symmetries, contours, rhythms and colours, the vital beauty of the creation - I feel it's a representation that in this respect beats cultivated nature (!), though paying full homage to it. (I don't think many of the flowers in the set are this handsomely deployed, for want of a better word.) 

The Wills sets of Roses (1913-14 I think?) are okay, but this one knocks them into a cocked hat, for the above reasons. The fact that it is an oversized card gives the artist that little bit more canvas to spread his stems and weave his mock-horticultural magic.

Apologies if this account sounds a prime candidate for Pseuds' Corner. It may be overblown (hah!), but the card moves me to a little rhapsody of words. And the enthusiasm has nothing fake or high-falutin' about it. I hope you can see, a bit, what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on March 28, 2014, 12:23:16 AM
So here is my third.

Though I might have to do a fourth.

Or substitute a fourth for the second. Or the third. Or first. ~ It's difficult!

>>> This one spools back a further dozen years from the crimson rose - to 1915.

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/PeterCS/cc02a.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/PeterCS/media/cc02a.jpg.html)(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/PeterCS/cc02b.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/PeterCS/media/cc02b.jpg.html)

The card has style, and also a certain beauty about it - in two senses.

But it's not so straightforward as that. There's a lot of mystery here. Which in this case only adds to its (non-monetary) value, I think.

This young woman is not wearing a hat, or making a fashion statement with the clothes of the day, or a pose (whether as a starlet of the high or low stage, or as a flapper, or as a "character"). She has a natural look, unadorned, no smile. Which all makes this card (or its image) a bit unusual for its age. 

The hair IS of course a statement, of simple grace and beauty. Groomed very carefully as if to be "natural". She might almost be a Pre-Raphaelite or Art Nouveau model: but she suggests more life and warmth than either of those, amid her cloudy surround - there's too much of Raphael about her! And she has more contour (if far less bright colouring) than, say, an Ophelia of the English Brotherhood's slightly pallid, sanctified medievalising school. Or she might almost belong to Central European Jugendstil - but no, she appears to put off all the stylised ornamentation, gilding, mannered garishness of Gustav Klimt's allegorical women.

She is a model of her time - but of a new era breaking. Moving on to a movie age, but still without the makeup and film mannerism.

So who exactly is, who was this model of beautiful, (more-or-less) natural young but clearly fully grown femininity of that age?

That's another mystery. "Lily Legros." Did she exist? It was not uncommon for lesser-known British comedy actresses, stage singers  and (still decent!) models of the age to exotify their name, especially in a French guise (Elise De Vere, for example.) I am unsure why a woman would call herself, or agree for an agent to call her, "Lily The Fat Man" ... and somehow it sounds an assumed name.

The only other thing I know of her (and her name)  is a smaller card I also have, issued in the same year of 1915 by Godfrey Phillips (#100 of 108 in their second set of "British Beauties"). Which is slightly more conventional, though hand-tinted and with a frame.

So who is she? "Love's young dream"? Well, mildly erotic perhaps (clothes? dreams?), certainly extremely romantic. But not over-romanticised. She looks a real woman, hardly a forced artistic creation for the camera. Graceful, cloudy, but flesh and blood.

Another reason I nominate this card here, in the light of a certain anniversary,  is to commemorate "The Men Who Marched Away". Though the style and class of the Westminster card suggests if this girl was intended as a sweetheart for the troops, she was probably a quiet, hopeful daydream of longing for the smokers of the officer class, also far from home. Of whom it can also be said:

But they will not dream of us poor lads
Lost in the ground.
(Wilfred Owen)

I find this card not only full of charm, style, grace and beauty (all obvious at first glance), but also rich in mystery, ... and poignancy.

Very memorable.

(So: that's a man, a flower, a woman in my set of three!)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Steve F. on April 14, 2014, 11:31:01 PM
Been a while since I contributed to this section - but with cards still to go allow me to reduce the target by 1...

The imperious Victor Thomas Trumper depicted on probably the rarest card from his era - a series that is believed to have been privately commissioned (some have attributed it to BAT), but based on the images from the 1909 Wills series.

Only one complete set (25) has ever been recorded and this card would be the 'Grace or Bradman' of the issue.

A great player, a fantastic career, but a life ended too soon...
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on April 15, 2014, 12:53:39 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Marabese on April 27, 2014, 09:08:12 AM
I'm not a collector, but would love to have a complete set of 'Our Gallant Grenadiers' in excellent condition. There's something about the illustrations and write-ups that is a little magical.

(http://marabese.com/GrenAbuKlea.jpg)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: sparsholtboy on May 16, 2014, 01:23:11 PM
With so many cricket cards out there, surely the sport should be represented. A WG Grace card for me, but the question is which one, maybe the Wills 1896 or 1901?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on May 16, 2014, 05:59:59 PM
Hear hear!


But if you look, you'll find a couple of cricketers up there ( ^ ) , so it's not entirely unrepresented.


And the same argument could be made for footballers. Or possibly actors.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: MansfieldTerrier on May 17, 2014, 09:47:41 AM
Hear hear!


But if you look, you'll find a couple of cricketers up there ( ^ ) , so it's not entirely unrepresented.


And the same argument could be made for footballers. Or possibly actors.
They're the same thing aren't they, Peter? :D

MT ;)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on May 17, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
Only the strikers in the box.

And the self-pitying philanderers. *cough* JT *cough*
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wandererpaul on May 17, 2014, 12:26:52 PM
A cricket card from Australia. Elias Patsy Hendren. A Middlesex CCC legend. A Brentford FC legend.

One of many Patsy Hendren and Fred Durston cards I've shown on my blog site. I only collect these two because of their connection to Brentford FC. http://eliaspatsyhendren.wordpress.com/ (http://eliaspatsyhendren.wordpress.com/)

A G.G.Goode ltd - Prominent Cricketer series - 1924
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on May 17, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
And a good one too!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Steve F. on May 21, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
Just for Sparsholtboy - the earliest W.G. Grace card known to exist

From the American Goodwin & Co issue promoting Old Judge Cigarettes to the Australian Market c1886
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Cedric1812 on May 22, 2014, 09:38:38 PM
Thanks for posting Steve. That's a very very nice card indeed! Safe to say that you don't see those every day!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Steve F. on May 22, 2014, 10:33:12 PM
Indeed you don't, they are very rare & expensive when available, however there are still some around - I've got 3 cricketers (though unfortunately not the Doctor) and 9 others from the other issues in the series of Australian sportsmen, politicians and personalities (76 recorded)

I am also aware of a collector in the UK who has at least 20 of these rare cards - 6 subjects were issued in 1886 and 15 more + 1 variation in 1888, with the latter existing in two forms; with an Old Judge advert on the reverse and as blank backs with the Old Judge caption on the front base of the card...

What a starter page to an album! When they are available they generally top the A$1000 in just about any condition, so probably >A$30K just for that page alone!

Also aware of another two collectors here in Melbourne that have the W.G. Card (This scan is from one of them) and both are in VG+ condition so their value would be significant and possibly bring >$2 - $3K in a competitive market

A great series which I am still trying to get a checklist together on - can anyone help?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Penno55 on June 28, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
Here is a card that ranks in my all time greatest list . Issued by The Candy Comic Co, Southwick in he 1950's it is a metamorphic card where Jimmy's eyes move up and down. Great pun in that the product being advertised is I.Y.I Gum - get it ?

Penno55
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on June 29, 2014, 10:49:04 AM
Is it a canny NyaKASSEL product?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on August 02, 2014, 11:18:12 PM
any new members care to contribute to the best and most important thread in these pages ?

Anyone else noticed that as  the numbers of members increases but the number of posters goes down .
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Robin Friday on August 02, 2014, 11:47:04 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/97667017@N05/9530121080/in/set-72157635109254744 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/97667017@N05/9530121080/in/set-72157635109254744)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Cedric1812 on August 03, 2014, 01:09:42 AM
Awesome cards Dant and I've taken some time to look more at your Flickr page - very impressive and I shall check in more often!
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Heath on August 03, 2014, 01:39:01 AM
Nice cards Mark - I have about half of that set.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on August 07, 2014, 08:46:09 AM
come on guys, it's the centenary of the great war, as they say, 'we need a million', so come and join up, lets get this project completed just 101 cards, this game has been going on for a long time, and still not completed.
lets make one last final 'push'for the last few cards so wolfie can complete his project and get it published.
as kitchener said'your country needs you', now i say 'this forum needs you'
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on August 07, 2014, 11:24:58 AM
I've done my bit for the Carderland - three inputs (see above) - and stopped at that because I didn't want to be greedy, pushy, dominant.

But since there's a war on to get it up to 101, here's another, which I recently posted elsewhere.

I nominate it because it has such rich multiple resonances:
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on August 07, 2014, 10:14:23 PM
come on boys, we need a milion, one of the music hall catch phrases, for the young men enlist.
i have taken the kings (queens shilling), i have put in my three cards, get a move on no one that has 'enlisted'.
it won't be the vultures feathers this time, more like WHITE FEATHERS, if you have not posted yet, all it need s is 33 members to finish the job.
this is the centenary bof the great war, only 100 years ago, young men were enlisting all over the country, god help us if the great war happened a few days back, , no-one enlisting, just the real men to take part.
probably be a bootiful job for bernard mathews, would be able to supply the counrty with millions of white feathers.
whoever has not put in their three cards yet, join in now
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on August 07, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
Are you the ghost of Harry Champion, fossil?
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: fossil on August 08, 2014, 11:43:51 AM
come on wolfie, your a military man, and a football fan.
so far this discussion has had twenty six members that have so far contributed with their favourite three cards.
another five members and this will have reached its goal.
the east surrey regiment kicked a football across the somme battlefield on the first of july, to encourage the regiment get across.
this subject is flagging a bit, lets get it going, twenty six members all now up for a gallantry award.
your the officer in charge of this, we need you up front to get it going again.
appreciate that some members have put in more than the required three cards, but the initial request for each member to put in three cards each.
only thirty three members were needed to complete this task, still another seven needed .
so get on wolfie, start rallying the troops and get this task finished
on this 100th anniversary, the task was completed against all odds, now one hundred years on, lets get this task finished
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: PeterCS on August 08, 2014, 01:27:28 PM
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608024737776141784&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: up the cherries! on June 18, 2015, 05:59:24 PM
Well, it has been 10 months since anyone added anything new on here, and I'm not even sure if the thread is still running, but I thought I would add a recent card that I have acquired. I bought a sealed box of MARVEL 75 YEARS by Rittenhouse. Each box came with a unique hand-drawn sketch card, and this is mine. It is Storm, from the X-Men superhero team.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on June 18, 2015, 08:37:09 PM
Yes the thread is still running though due to my big boys PC being dead for a long time I haven't updated, sorry folks me bad.

So howay let's have another push nd get this thread moving long again. Let's try this I would like to see a gerry anderson card(s) on here so for the next few days anyone with a appropriate card stick it on.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on June 19, 2015, 07:42:59 AM
Hi Wolfie

On hols at the moment (near Mark in the valleys)
I will post something on my return.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: wolfie on June 19, 2015, 09:05:47 PM
Good man captain, will do a complete update this weekend.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Captain Pugwash on June 29, 2015, 03:59:21 PM

 As promised some Gerry Anderson.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: magpiemick on July 22, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
Well not read this topic for a while so best make another addition GEO Bassett Football Action1977 No 45 Newcastle United V Ipswich Town featuring my boyhood hero the one and only Supermac I think the Barratt- Bassett-Trebor cards issued with their candy sticks did a lot to fill the gap between the demise off ABC going on to Topps in the  70.s whilst Barratt had always continuously produced a set of footballers every year the change of name to Geo Bassett kept the tradition going when the late 70,s and early 80.s were the period the sticker craze really came to the fore and Panini took the strangle hold on football issues mainly available in that time And if your a football card collector then having a set of the football candy stick cards is really a must 
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Mariner tony on July 23, 2015, 07:35:14 PM
There are two of these football action sets out there identified by the spacing on the back. As you say Mick, Barratt/Bassett were prolific during this period. Most can be purchased reasonably easily and reasonably priced. However one or two are quite difficult sets to complete.
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Newboy needs an opal jar on August 28, 2015, 09:53:42 PM
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Hi,as my user name implies,I am indeed new to all of this.the 101 cards subject caught my eye.I would like to choose card no.25 Olympic greats,the great johnny Weissmuller.several reasons why include,when I was 9 or 10 these were the first tea cards to get me interested in collecting.another reason he was Tarzan(how cool)and I loved the films.finaly I used to play waterpolo around that time and any swimmer was a hero of mine.back to the actual card,black back or blue back and I choose blue so more people are likely to have/see it.I think the whole set is £2.that's me and thankyou for your time."newboy needs an opal jar"
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Newboy needs an opal jar on August 28, 2015, 10:08:40 PM
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Hi,as my user name implies,I am indeed new to all of this.the 101 cards subject caught my eye.I would like to choose card no.25 Olympic greats,the great johnny Weissmuller.several reasons why include,when I was 9 or 10 these were the first tea cards to get me interested in collecting.another reason he was Tarzan(how cool)and I loved the films.finaly I used to play waterpolo around that time and any swimmer was a hero of mine.back to the actual card,black back or blue back and I choose blue so more people are likely to have/see it.I think the whole set is £2.that's me and thankyou for your time."newboy needs an opal jar"
Title: Re: 101 cards to own before you die
Post by: Mariner tony on August 28, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
Welcome to the forum Newboy.