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'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« on: May 11, 2017, 09:16:57 AM »
Bit of a long shot here, but does anyone in here know anything about these cards? Or possess any?



I do not know precisely when they were produced but, based upon the two different designs, I suspect that there were at least two issues. I'd guess that they are akin to the very rare Battock 'Football Jerseys and Shirts' set of the early 1900s, but I simply can't be precise; the best that I can do is offer the following information based on the known cards in the set which can be found on Alan Jenkins' wonderful website HERE.

•   HTAFC, often described as ‘The Babes’ in their fledgling career which began in 1908, are included, so could it be then? No, because …
•   Halifax Town were born in 1911 and they’re included; could it be 1911 then? No, because …
•   Durham City were formed in 1918 and they’re included, so was it then? No, because …
•   New Brighton were formed in 1921 and they’re included, so was it 1921? No, because …
•   Woolwich Arsenal are included, but they changed their name to ‘The Arsenal’ in 1914 and were simply ‘Arsenal’ by 1919.

The majority of pictures that I have used are from Alan's website, but the other couple are 'out there' on t'interweb, and for those of you interested in prices and valuations Alan mentions that he saw one on eBay with a starting price of £95 in 2013 and the current FCCM catalogue has two - Barrow @£70 and Aston Villa @£100

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NB I'll update the images here as and when I acquire them.
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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 09:49:51 AM »
Have got the Shakers' one, Roger.  Don't know anything about the cards though, apart from mine cost me a bob or two!
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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 10:04:05 AM »
Thanks for sharing, Baz - I'll add it to my cache of images.

These are quite close to my heart as I used to live in Brighouse back in the late 1960s and early 1970s. 8)

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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 01:41:02 PM »
*Aston Villa card image courtesy of Carl Wilkes at www.rarecards.co.uk

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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 03:43:57 PM »
I cannot find anything in the census records or directory records online for Ripley Bros Brighouse unfortunatley. I was hoping to find them in a phone directory giving dates, but nothing has come up.

There's a Fred Ripley in the 1911 cenus aged 18 but that is all.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 03:50:12 PM »
I think I've found it.

An advert in the Derby Daily Telegraph mentions the Jersey Cards and agents wanted. Date?

April 1924. :)

This advert is only used in three issues of the paper. 25/26/28 April 1924.

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 04:22:08 PM »
Great spot, Paul!  :)
It certainly is the correct company and also proves that they were still issuing the cards in 1924.
That surely can't be when they started though? Unless the Woolwich Arsenal is simply them being lazy!

Incidentally, I was going to call this out as a mistake until I actually read the advert; there is a place in Derbyshire called Ripley and I rather thought that this was going to be about an ice cream firm there!

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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 04:27:32 PM »
Great spot, Paul!  :)
It certainly is the correct company and also proves that they were still issuing the cards in 1924.
That surely can't be when they started though? Unless the Woolwich Arsenal is simply them being lazy!

Incidentally, I was going to call this out as a mistake until I actually read the advert; there is a place in Derbyshire called Ripley and I rather thought that this was going to be about an ice cream firm there!

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My thoughts?

I would say they were issued no earlier than 1922 and, more than likely, produced through to at least season end 1924, as per the advert. Did they continue through to 1925?

The "Woolwich Arsenal" card is a red herring IMO.

I'll keep digging. ;)
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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 04:32:06 PM »
Good for you, Paul! ;)

And ... I've just turned up another vital clue too ...
The team in blue and white that plays at Hillsborough (and who shall NOT be named until after the current Play-Off campaign) were known as 'The Wednesday' until 1929, thereby making what I believe to be the second set of cards dated to no earlier than then.

AND ... I've only just noticed that the back of the 'Second Series' cards is not Ripley Bros., but simply E. Ripley. I wonder whether the partnership had been dissolved or perhaps one brother had died?

Progress!

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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 04:34:53 PM »
Also, the strips of the Clubs just don't match.

Aston Villa and Burnley, they never wore Claret and Blue stripes - although Brentford did pre 1903!

QPR were green and white hoops, not stripes!

Fulham in Black? Very odd.

Barrow and South Shields are ok for the 1920's, as are; Liverpool, Hull City and Liverpool too.

I cannot believe they were produced pre-1920.
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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2017, 04:36:56 PM »
Is there a better close up of the 2nd series back?

This is like trying to date Baines cards!
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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2017, 04:40:03 PM »
Also, the strips of the Clubs just don't match.
Aston Villa and Burnley, they never wore Claret and Blue stripes - although Brentford did pre 1903!
QPR were green and white hoops, not stripes!
Fulham in Black? Very odd.
Barrow and South Shields are ok for the 1920's, as are; Liverpool, Hull City and Liverpool too.

I cannot believe they were produced pre-1920.
In fairness, like the Battock cards of the same era, I rather think that the shirt designs were superfluous and the company simply reflected the clubs' colours rather than whether they should have been stripes, hoops, or sleeves. But I agree with you that the black Fulham kit is a bit of a puzzler ...  :o

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Re: 'Football Colours' by Ripley Bros. (Brighouse)
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2017, 04:41:46 PM »
Is there a better close up of the 2nd series back?

This is like trying to date Baines cards!
Ha! Was thinking exactly the same myself - on BOTH counts!

Here we go ...



BOYS MUST SEND
EITHER A LETTER ON SPORT OR
A REASON ACCOMPANIED BY
SET OF CARDS CORRESPONDING
TO WINDOW BILLS
TO COMPETE FOR PRIZES.
PROPRIETORS DECISION FINAL
E. RIPLEY
BRIGHOUSE

Regd Design No.

It could well be that the design number would be useful; perhaps we could trace the registration date with that? But, I can't read it  >:(

700743? 700745?

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