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Ogdenscards

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UNRECORDED CARDS
« on: November 07, 2017, 11:02:41 AM »
When you have been collecting and specialising for as long as me other moments of triumph other than just find ing that illusive card start to emerge and that is finding unrecorded cards.

I have mentioned this in the past but since my last post have come across a few more unrecorded cards.

Many of you may read the research page in the CSGB and noticed that additional Ogdens cards being reported. well those particular cards have been discovered by myself.

It is extremely satisfying finding and knowing nobody has this card in their collections. This may be true but it could also not be true as many collectors hold unrecorded cards and have just not bothered to register the card or do not realise the card they have is unrecorded.
Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
Best Regards David

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Re: UNRECORDED CARDS
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 11:15:11 AM »
Another slight issue I have is that if there are a known quantity in a series how do we know that all have been seen.

Just because we know the number of cards in a particular series from other evidence, does not represent the number of images or titles registered, this perhaps limits the collectors looking.

This issue more often  happens in numbered series.

I mention this as this has happened to me this week. 'ENGLISH ACTRESSES' issued by Ogdens end of January to mid April 1894. On the reverse of these cabinet cards it states that there are 10 cards in the series.

I found card numbered number 1, Mrs Berstein, not seen before, but it was a recorded card number even though the tittle nor image was unknown.
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Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
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Re: UNRECORDED CARDS
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 12:01:00 PM »
Another slight issue I have is that if there are a known quantity in a series how do we know that all have been seen.

Just because we know the number of cards in a particular series from other evidence, does not represent the number of images or titles registered, this perhaps limits the collectors looking.

This issue more often  happens in numbered series.

I mention this as this has happened to me this week. 'ENGLISH ACTRESSES' issued by Ogdens end of January to mid April 1894. On the reverse of these cabinet cards it states that there are 10 cards in the series.

I found card numbered number 1, Mrs Berstein, not seen before, but it was a recorded card number even though the tittle nor image was unknown.

This is one of the problems with the Cartophilic Society of Great Britain, if the cards in a series are numbered they have no interest in recording the subjects featured on the cards.

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Re: UNRECORDED CARDS
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 02:09:50 PM »
 interesting to see the name waterlow & sons on the back. a major world wide printer of bank notes. postage stamps . i diden't no they printed cigartette cards.  well done on the find
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Re: UNRECORDED CARDS
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 09:10:34 PM »
I have found with German sets that there are quite often different fronts for the same card number.  In this case does "ten" refer to the number of cards in the set or the number of different subjects for the pictures that you could exchange the cards for?  As you say this is an unknown subject for card 1 that's probably irrelevant.  However it would seem to imply that if you asked for picture 1 then it wasn't clear what you would receive.  Is it possible that it's card 1 from a series 2?
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Re: UNRECORDED CARDS
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 11:33:57 PM »
Couldn't agree more David - When you cant find the elusive card(s) to complete a set issued, there are other additions that can still make collecting them interesting - Proofs & Errors from the issue are one area I've never passed up when they are available - by their nature they are probably rarer than the cards issued in the series.

Also agree with Alan's comments re numbered sets, but what if you have the only recorded card in an an issue that was supposed to be 70! Who do you check with and how do you find out if 70 were actually produced?

I have a 1912 Cricket Trade card (#35) that is the only one known to me and many other Australian Cricket card collectors that exists (I have also seen a photocopy of #41), but according to the CSGB's RB 30 the set was ? 70.

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Re: UNRECORDED CARDS
« Reply #6 on: Today at 02:34:26 PM »
In this series there are, we think ten different subjects. I now have 4 different ones and Martin Murry 6. With this additional card there are now 7 different subjects known, we then assume 3 more different ones to be found.

As for the second series which the reverse implies non have been seen.

The only way we can find out is to keep recording in a central place, the problem as I have mentioned before is if the set is a numbered series. Martin will if the issuer is unrecorded mention it in the CSGB research section and add it to his notes.

The other method is to write about the series yourself and ask for the article to be published hence bring to the attention of other collectors.
Always looking for interesting cards and associated goods issued by Ogden's you can see samples of cards I am looking for in the wants section.
Best Regards David

 

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