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How can we make this website better?
« on: October 25, 2012, 05:19:16 PM »
CigaretteCardCollecting.com is one year old in a few days time on October 30th and is pretty well established now. However I'd like to improve the website, generally make it more useful to its members and get more people contributing to the discussions on the site and starting their own threads.

I'd be happy to hear any opinions that members have on ways to generally improve the site. I can't guarantee that every idea will be implemented but if I think an idea is feasible I'll do my best to put it into practice.

I'd like to run a competition and I bought a prize for it a few months ago but I haven't yet been able to come up with a competition idea that would be suitable for the site. I'd like an element of cartophilic skill and knowledge to be involved if possible rather than just a competition that relies on pure luck. If anyone has and competition ideas that they think might work please let me know.

Someone suggested a while ago that it might be nice to have a member's areas of collecting interests displayed in their profile at the side of their posts or even perhaps member groups for different areas of collecting. I'm working on this idea and hopefully will come up with a solution soon.

Finally, I'd like to thank our moderator IanSammel for his enthusiasm and support of the site over the last year. It's much appreciated. Thanks also to everyone who's contributed to the site and please post even more in the next year...

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 06:41:57 PM »
A big thank you Geoff for setting up the site and also Ian for his advice I think it has been a sucess there are a regular flow of contributions from many of the members , even more would be welcome I can say for myself i have met a few members or helped some and got advice from some as well So it work and long may it continue to do so Now to put my thinking cap on

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 08:47:22 PM »
along with others i have noticed a increase in folk wanting to sell stuff on here. other sites/forums i am on try to control this by having a sale section and any post that is not in there gets deleted by admin. Benefits of this are that if i want to see what others are selling i go there, if i dont i dont have to look for the posts that interest me hidden in the sales posts.

Not wanting to stop newcomers from posting asking genuine questions about cards, but gets boring reading i have found such and such set and was wondering....

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 10:59:42 PM »
i gree with magpiemick, and wolfie,,,,,,but , what is the point of joining this forum, when you can read all posts, without joining ?
the amount of help, information, wealth of knowledge, by the specialist collectors on this forum, is unbelievable, yet even the less knowlegable collector, may have information to share, and. make this forum more interesting to read .
yet a high proportion of members do not contribute to discussions.
could not many of the discussions be hidden from the public, and to become a member, one should be expected to contribute a discussion to enable for them to be able to read the discussions.
there could always be a list of articles that are being discussed on view, but to read them, would require a member to join and contribute>
secondly, would it not be possible for major dealers, to have a list of items they wish to sell, very similar to ebay, or even make regular contributions , discussions about sets, individual cards, or other interesting topic

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 06:04:13 PM »
what is the point of joining this forum, when you can read all posts, without joining ?

You can read the posts but if you need the answer to a specific question you probably need to join to be able to post the question.  One thing that I have always thought is that with all the knowledge available here it should be possible to compile some sort of database of information.  For example various comments have been made about lack of exact info about Guinea Golds.  How about some sort of Wiki to which the Guinea Gold collectors could contribute to provide a comprehensive list of cards known?  This area of the site could be made available only at admin's discretion and/or only if you have a valid login.

As for a competition, that's a difficult one. Something like a Cartophilic quiz would probably just become a competition to see who can Google best.  The CSGB runs an annual "competition" which involves voting for the best article submitted to Cartophilic Notes and News.  There are prizes for the article voted best and also for the person who comes closest to guessing which three articles will be voted best in the correct order.  Maybe we could all vote for the best posts or something similar.

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 08:23:53 PM »
Like the idea of a wiki.

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 10:47:43 PM »
There is often a tendency on collecting forums for them to be taken over by the SERIOUS collectors deliberating on the minutiae of the cards they collect. I've often hat there are 'geek/nerd' overtones so that the 'average' collector with his albums full of mainstream sets feels excluded. This may be why there could be a reluctance to post as they feel that what they have to say is of little interest to those whose thrust is towards the more esoteric aspects of cards.

It is fair to say that there is very little reference to those cards who comprise the majority of entries in the catalogues (eg those displayed at the head of the forum page) -is this because the majority of collectors dismiss these or is it just that the majority of posters on heredismiss them? Someone must collect the vast number of run-of-the-mill sets that abound on ebay and in dealers' stocks..

Does anyone else feel that the forum has got a bit too highbrow and that and that it needs to relax if it is to become more inclusive? I have some very nice cards but my interest is in their artistic merit which is enough for me.

Years ago I resigned from a philatelic socity for the very reason that it was 'taken over' by a highbrow group who were not interested in the collections of the more mundane variety and so alienated that large group.

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 08:46:41 AM »
Does anyone else feel that the forum has got a bit too highbrow and that and that it needs to relax if it is to become more inclusive? I have some very nice cards but my interest is in their artistic merit which is enough for me.

The forum is what the members make it.  If you have something to say about your cards or any questions about them then I'm sure the forum members would take an interest or do their best to help.  Everyone has a place here but you do have to make the posts. 

There are a lot of very interesting "run-of-the-mill" sets around and I have many of them in my collection.  Personally I would rather have a set of Wills "Do You Know" than a set of Taddy's Clowns any day.  I find them much more interesting and informative.  Don't be reluctant.  If you have something to say, post it.
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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 08:51:27 AM »
Following up Baystokies comments , like any form of collecting there are the elitist bordering on snobbery element and if they wish to pursue the ultra rare cards then its their choice As a collector the main point is what intrests yourself , plenty frown on any set produced post 1918 as opposed to the huge amount produced in the 1930,s of which i find there are just as many quality well produced and infromative sets which are a lot less expensive and more freely available So whether its a high value set like Rutters Comic phrases 1905 or Players Cricketers Caricatures by RIP 1926 then the person looking at them wants them for their own pleasure Personally i can value the artwork by the artist in the cricketers set much more so and much more affordable As well as collecting Churchman cards i also dabble in another intrest being ex military the Victoria Cross i know i would never ever wish to be a Lord Ashcroft and buy someones medal but i do like to read the actions for which they were won and as there are numerous sets in card be it trade or cigarette or gum then i pick off any related ones now and then at leisure rather than must have
What comes across as several members have stated is the vast base of knowledge available to tap into , i have learnt much more about ogdens  guinea golds and about amercian gum cards on here than i knew and can relate to the enthusiasm for those who collect them So lets embrace ALL those on this site at least its a good sign that the forum is being read and the site visited which after all was what it was intended for and can only promote the hobby of card collecting to a greater audience Each to his own and if advice can be given and questions answered and problems resolved then let it work  

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 10:43:31 PM »
I certainly don't see the forum as being high brow, just look at my posts. I come on here to learn and this forum has room for all sorts of folk. No one has ever made me feel stupid for asking stupid (new) questions.

There is room on here for collectors of every level and of any and all sets. I do like to read of folk who have spent £100s on their cards, but at the same time I like to here about collectors like me who have a interest in one or two subjects and get the mainstream sets on these. I am a bit like MagpieMick being ex military I like to collect cards with a military theme and I am slowly but surely growing my silks collection, but i also have a couple of birds sets that cost me pennies fro EBay, bought purely because they are pretty to look at.

I think the wiki idea is something we can all contribute to regardless of level or expertise, certainly if you take the founder of Wikipedias idea it was to be a peoples repository of knowledge and surely this is what this forum is about, its about folk helping each other out in whatever way they can.

As for loosening up and becoming more inclusive, a forum is only as good as its members, if folk contribute to it then it grows and becomes all inclusive.
We need to find ways of getting folk to contribute more, adding pics to the gallery is one way, that way we get to see rare cards but in the main it would be the everyday run of the mill sets that are added, that way we can see cards that maybe we never thought of collecting.

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 03:18:45 PM »
On the subject of a competition, I noticed this on another site:
http://vintagetvandradio.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=2806
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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2012, 05:45:21 PM »
That's certainly interesting, Ian. We could certainly do something similar. Members could vote for the post that they found most useful or interesting.

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Re: How can we make this website better?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 09:42:18 PM »
I suggest that the "common", "run-of-the mill" "mainstream" sets are worthy of our respect and gratitude because without them I venture there would be no cartophily. Probably most of us involved in the hobby were introduced to it only through these moderately priced and more readily available cards. They also allowed us to explore the world of cards and to perhaps eventually discover our area of specialised interest.
While my collecting today is more focused, the bulk of my collection is the "mainstream" sets that I still find as interesting as when I first acquired them.
I often think that the rarer cards are more scarce because their contemporary audience found them uninteresting or ugly or for some other reason less worthy of keeping and collecting.

 

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